Love the game

[bart]

Give it a few months and let the modders work their magic, this sim will look a lot different by then and hopefully just get better and better as SH3 did.

[codmander]

let me know when its done sh5 $4.99

[ichso]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Just because I like and enjoy the game does not mean I do not see its faults. They are the same faults which were inherent in SH3 and SH4. However if you give it a fair trial, you have to be blind not to see that it has the potential to be a much better simulation than SH3 or SH4.

No one who has been following the discussions here or who owns SH3 and or SH4 can say they were surprised by SH5. It is what we expected, SH3 with better graphics, a bit more depth to the underlying engine and perhaps better moddability.

yes, we can all sit around, mope that Ubi should have done it differently this time and decry this game as a hopeless mess, but this is the exact same discussion we had when SH2 came out in 2001, when SH3 came out in 2005 and when SH4 came out in 2007 and with the same result, namely that if the real subsimmers want a real U-boat simulation, they have to roll up their sleeves and get to work on SH5 to build one.

Which is a flaw in itself. That we are seeing mistakes again that where already made with SH3+4. And that the modders have to create many aspects of the game with every new entitlement of the series. Like believable sub physics. The same things over an over again.

I give you that SH5 has more potential for modding than the previous games. That it wouldn't be a hardcore simulation like it will be turned into by mods is no surprise.
I just don't like the attitude of shifting the game more towards a submarine toolkit rather than a convincing game from the start.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

So you have two choices, sit on the sidelines, act like mr. cool subsimmer, pronouncing yourself as an expert on realistic subsims, because you once spent 6 hours straight playing SH3 on Auto TDC and sank 100,000 tons.., excoriate this game as "arcady" because the monitor on your desk shows bars instead of dials ..

Now we're getting a bit polemical, aren't we ? When have I ever done that ?

[Charlie901]

Originally Posted by ichso

Which is a flaw in itself. That we are seeing mistakes again that where already made with SH3+4. And that the modders have to create many aspects of the game with every new entitlement of the series. Like believable sub physics. The same things over an over again.

I give you that SH5 has more potential for modding than the previous games. That it wouldn't be a hardcore simulation like it will be turned into by mods is no surprise.
I just don't like the attitude of shifting the game more towards a submarine toolkit rather than a convincing game from the start.


Now we're getting a bit polemical, aren't we ? When have I ever done that ?

I agree.....

The Devs could easily add all of the Missing Features that have been in every previous version and are MANDATORY for a sub sim via an Update patch...

But they would rather rely on the Modders to do yet again what they have had to do for SH3 and SH4... But now instead of merely enhancing the "CORE" Game the Free Mods are expected to become mandatory updates to replace critical missing content.

All of which begs the question:

Why are still paying full retail price for a game that requires Free Mods to work the way it should have worked out of the box!

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by ichso

Now we're getting a bit polemical, aren't we ? When have I ever done that ?

I was not talking about you ichso. It was aimed at some of our more prolific doomsayers, you are just getting caught in the crossfire...

[ichso]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I was not talking about you ichso. It was aimed at some of our more prolific doomsayers, you are just getting caught in the crossfire...

There is indeed much crossfire around during the last few days