Attn Devs ,Wont buy SH5 until these are fixed

03-04-10, 04:08 AM

The devs are the first to blame, JScones
And now they are hiding themselves behind that "We are not allowed to interfere with the mortals now due to the nature of our job or of our contracts with Almighty UBI ...".
And NOBODY here has the right to tell you what to say about the devs. YOU made a lot of things for FREE, from your heart, they did everything for money. And what you did is more reliable, than what they did.

R-T-B · 03-04-10, 04:12 AM

To be fair, the bug with the deck gun is not a bug at all, but rather that you have no morale when giving the order (it requires it). It's easy to fix, just remove morale by editing the crew abilities text file (where it exists exactly escapes me at the moment).

elanaiba · 03-04-10, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

The devs are the first to blame, JScones
And now they are hiding themselves behind that "We are not allowed to interfere with the mortals now due to the nature of our job or of our contracts with Almighty UBI ...".
And NOBODY here has the right to tell you what to say about the devs. YOU made a lot of things for FREE, from your heart, they did everything for money. And what you did is more reliable, than what they did.

Again?

03-04-10, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

Again?

"Again" what? Do you feel embarrassed that I am in the position to tell everyone that sometimes some people make me feel ashamed that I am Romanian? Or I suppose you want to provoke me, and to end up being banned, like I was before because of you. No, you won't have the chance to see that. I will be very careful for what I will say, I will carefully choose my words not to hurt your human dignity, but still to hit the "G" spot.
Maybe at that time most people here gave you much more credit that you actually deserved, but now, that we are seeing the results of your work, I guess you are starting to lose your supporters, little by little.

Note: for all of those that are not aware who elanaiba is: he is one of the devs.

elanaiba · 03-04-10, 04:23 AM

Again, you are accusing "us" that we are hiding as demigods, etc.

And you are assuming a lot about what we did, and what we did it FOR.

Frankly, you have no idea of all the stuff that I did for the series.

03-04-10, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Again, you are accusing "us" that we are hiding as demigods, etc.

And you are assuming a lot about what we did, and what we did it FOR.

Frankly, you have no idea of all the stuff that I did for the series.

OK, you are probably one of those who are not hiding so much. But do you gave the guts to say that your product is unfinished, it's very buggy and it was very prematurely released? Just talking about the objective facts, not the subjective ones, like the interface, RPG elements etc. If you will do that, I promise that I won't criticize your game anymore.
Yes, I know, you are not supposed to talk about these kind of things ... UBI contracts and so.
And by the way, maybe you should better start work at the patches, I think that would be more constructive, don't you think?

SubV · 03-04-10, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

Frankly, you have no idea of all the stuff that I did for the series.

From what I've seen so far, your team had done a great job on visuals and scripting in SH5. But many other things (including keyboard commands to access the stations, change course, etc) are broken.

I clearly understand that your team is very dependent on publisher and their decisions. Please, fix the annoying bugs mentioned by topicstarter and I'll promise to buy the game immediately.

Jimbuna · 03-04-10, 05:36 AM

Developing and nurturing a blame culture can only be counter productive.

Far better to post in a 'constructive criticism' context.

I feel I can understand how emotive such topics can become but anything getting even close to personal ridicule is totally unnaceptable and should be discouraged IMHO.

I'm not taking sides or pointing towards any of the individual posters on this thread, nor do I have any wish to become embroiled in this subject but would respectfully ask that we all demonstrate a modicum of respect and polite understanding of the individuals viewpoints here.

cherbert · 03-04-10, 05:45 AM

I just want to make it clear I think SH5 is very impressive and very immersive. I love it I desperately want it to be fixed.

My initial message was basically to request more feedback from the devs that the problems will be sorted out. We have had nothing apart from a patch that seems to have broken more than it fixed.

I don't regret buying it. I am just worried at the moment about the sheer amount of things that need fixing - in some ways there is more to be fixed here than SH4 needed.

THE_MASK · 03-04-10, 05:46 AM

No need for personal insults to the devs . I am sorry i started this thread now . The fact stated was that i will not buy SH5 with this list of bugs in it . I recognise that its only patch1.1 and i thought this thread might grab the devs attention even though they are probably working on patch 1.2 right now . This thread has gone too far .

walsh2509 · 03-04-10, 04:27 AM

From what I've read and hope misread , then the Devs are as much to blame as Ubi "suits".

As far as I've read in some reviews on this site , you can't order the rudder through x degrees of turn 1/2/3 to Port or starboard.

That is a basic part of any build of a ship/uboat sim, if that is true , then the devs are to blame or are we to believe that they didn't know it was missing like other things in the sim ..

Or are they reading these posts on here saying , I thought you put it in , no I thought you were doing that !

Come on , the devs knew exactly what they had put in and left out , for something as basic to operating the uboat, it really was a dereliction of duty.

To blame the Ubi suits for something as basic as that, something that should have been one of the first items laid down in code, as its one of boats base operating functions, does not wash with me.

CCIP · 03-04-10, 04:32 AM

Guys, let's stop the finger-pointing and personal attacks. It doesn't get us anywhere. What have we got to gain from it? Gunnodayak: I don't know why you are so persistent in trying to present 'the truth about the game' here, but why must you insist on making this forum a platform to launch personal attacks? It's clear that you don't own the game nor have interest in it. Is it really productive for you to go on and continue baiting certain members into offended responses, only to act like you've been insulted afterwards? It's not fair to the community and, taken past a certain point (where it can and should count as fair criticism), simply does nothing but sour the tone of discussion and make everyone mad at each other. In the case of causing animosity between players and game developers here, it's especially counter productive.

So in short,

03-04-10, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I don't know why you are so persistent in trying to present 'the truth about the game' here, but why must you insist on making this forum a platform to launch personal attacks?

No, I am deeply sorry if you or anyone believes that I like to do personal attacks, and please, don't start again with that "you don't own the game", I really wish now that I would not have the game.
It seems this "you like to do personal attacks" routine is being applied when somebody is saying his opinion loud and clear. I am just very very dissapointed of what turned out to be this game, and maybe a little more than the majority, and that is because they are Romanians, my kind. And that would have been one good chance to make me feel proud of that. But they didn't. Is this a personal attack ? It's just a big feeling of dissapointement.

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In the case of causing animosity between players and game developers here, it's especially counter productive.

Please tell me, what is productive then? To praise them even if they don't deserved that? For what we should do that? Why? I really don't understand your need to "defend" them. Why don't you let'em defend themselves?
Let's separate these things: the DRM issue is UBI responsibility only, while the game itself belongs solely to the dev team.

JScones · 03-04-10, 04:31 AM

Dan, while you are here, maybe you can tell us only if you are at liberty to do so: who's responsible for game content? the development house or the publishing house? More specifically, how much freedom do publishers give developers, or conversely, how constrained do publishers make things for developers? I would expect the publisher to drive schedule to a degree, but choosing what specific features are in or out, is that the publishers role or the devs role (to manage according to available schedule)? Do the publishers ever get to the level of specifics such as "TDC must be included"?

Generally speaking I mean - not specifically Ubisoft because I don't want you to get into trouble with anyone. Just broad industry "norm" based on your experience over the years.

Serious question, because I don't know the answer.

longam · 03-04-10, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

Again?

Yea really, gawd 2 wasted threads already this morning

03-04-10, 04:23 AM	#5
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	Again, you are accusing "us" that we are hiding as demigods, etc. And you are assuming a lot about what we did, and what we did it FOR. Frankly, you have no idea of all the stuff that I did for the series. __________________ With strength I burn...

03-04-10, 05:36 AM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,552 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Developing and nurturing a blame culture can only be counter productive. Far better to post in a 'constructive criticism' context. I feel I can understand how emotive such topics can become but anything getting even close to personal ridicule is totally unnaceptable and should be discouraged IMHO. I'm not taking sides or pointing towards any of the individual posters on this thread, nor do I have any wish to become embroiled in this subject but would respectfully ask that we all demonstrate a modicum of respect and polite understanding of the individuals viewpoints here. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-04-10, 04:32 AM	#12
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Guys, let's stop the finger-pointing and personal attacks. It doesn't get us anywhere. What have we got to gain from it? Gunnodayak: I don't know why you are so persistent in trying to present 'the truth about the game' here, but why must you insist on making this forum a platform to launch personal attacks? It's clear that you don't own the game nor have interest in it. Is it really productive for you to go on and continue baiting certain members into offended responses, only to act like you've been insulted afterwards? It's not fair to the community and, taken past a certain point (where it can and should count as fair criticism), simply does nothing but sour the tone of discussion and make everyone mad at each other. In the case of causing animosity between players and game developers here, it's especially counter productive. So in short, __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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03-04-10, 04:08 AM	#1
Gunnodayak Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The devs are the first to blame, JScones And now they are hiding themselves behind that "We are not allowed to interfere with the mortals now due to the nature of our job or of our contracts with Almighty UBI ...". And NOBODY here has the right to tell you what to say about the devs. YOU made a lot of things for FREE, from your heart, they did everything for money. And what you did is more reliable, than what they did.

03-04-10, 04:12 AM	#2
R-T-B Sparky Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 150 Downloads: 324 Uploads: 5	To be fair, the bug with the deck gun is not a bug at all, but rather that you have no morale when giving the order (it requires it). It's easy to fix, just remove morale by editing the crew abilities text file (where it exists exactly escapes me at the moment).

03-04-10, 05:45 AM	#9
cherbert Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 210 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I just want to make it clear I think SH5 is very impressive and very immersive. I love it I desperately want it to be fixed. My initial message was basically to request more feedback from the devs that the problems will be sorted out. We have had nothing apart from a patch that seems to have broken more than it fixed. I don't regret buying it. I am just worried at the moment about the sheer amount of things that need fixing - in some ways there is more to be fixed here than SH4 needed.

03-04-10, 05:46 AM	#10
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	No need for personal insults to the devs . I am sorry i started this thread now . The fact stated was that i will not buy SH5 with this list of bugs in it . I recognise that its only patch1.1 and i thought this thread might grab the devs attention even though they are probably working on patch 1.2 right now . This thread has gone too far .

03-04-10, 04:27 AM	#11
walsh2509 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 410 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	From what I've read and hope misread , then the Devs are as much to blame as Ubi "suits". As far as I've read in some reviews on this site , you can't order the rudder through x degrees of turn 1/2/3 to Port or starboard. That is a basic part of any build of a ship/uboat sim, if that is true , then the devs are to blame or are we to believe that they didn't know it was missing like other things in the sim .. Or are they reading these posts on here saying , I thought you put it in , no I thought you were doing that ! Come on , the devs knew exactly what they had put in and left out , for something as basic to operating the uboat, it really was a dereliction of duty. To blame the Ubi suits for something as basic as that, something that should have been one of the first items laid down in code, as its one of boats base operating functions, does not wash with me.

03-04-10, 04:31 AM	#14
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Dan, while you are here, maybe you can tell us only if you are at liberty to do so: who's responsible for game content? the development house or the publishing house? More specifically, how much freedom do publishers give developers, or conversely, how constrained do publishers make things for developers? I would expect the publisher to drive schedule to a degree, but choosing what specific features are in or out, is that the publishers role or the devs role (to manage according to available schedule)? Do the publishers ever get to the level of specifics such as "TDC must be included"? Generally speaking I mean - not specifically Ubisoft because I don't want you to get into trouble with anyone. Just broad industry "norm" based on your experience over the years. Serious question, because I don't know the answer.