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HundertzehnGustav · 03-03-10, 08:27 PM

all i hear is "let the modders finish it" "give it a year"

if UBI dont let the Devs finish it, what then? is it up to the customer to first FIX the obvious problems to level out the game value, and then , after a year of fiddling with the files, start the actual improving of the content?

?

bonkers?

Churchill: nuts?

Steeltrap · 03-03-10, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Drifter

You were smart to wait and not buy it. That is all I have to say.

I have a principled disagreement with DRM. I have said more than once I won't buy it with DRM.

My not buying it doesn't have anything to do with quality. As an aside, I learned the 'quality' lesson with SH2, forgot it after waiting for SH3 and bought SH4 at release, so never again will I buy at release.

Cheers

Steeltrap · 03-03-10, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

all i hear is "let the modders finish it" "give it a year"

if UBI dont let the Devs finish it, what then? is it up to the customer to first FIX the obvious problems to level out the game value, and then , after a year of fiddling with the files, start the actual improving of the content?

Welcome to the development approach of Creative Assembly and Total War series. They've been doing this for years and getting away with it as there are more than enough people happy to by any dross if it looks pretty.

Nick Holden · 03-03-10, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyj

ok list of bugs then:

2) surface next to a destroyer 3 times, didn't notice me.

Do they notice you if you open fire on them?

HundertzehnGustav · 03-03-10, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Welcome to the development approach of Creative Assembly and Total War series. They've been doing this for years and getting away with it as there are more than enough people happy to by any dross if it looks pretty.

I mean, neal gave SHIII a thumbs up back in the day... but did it take a year to get it without major bugs?

At the risk of sounding like an asshool, but WHY do the modders do this kind of thing the producer is supposed to provide?

the community fixing things, and the mouth to mouth propaganda will generate more sales.

do the "file fiddlers" or "modders" see a penny of that? do they get a DRM free copy? do they get a gold copy of SH6?

damn!

SimHq Tom Cofield · 03-03-10, 08:57 PM

Several reasons.

1. The company doesn't give the game developers enough time to do everything they want to do so the developer makes as much as they can and then tries to create a structure that others can build on.

2. People don't want to wait another six months to year to get some of the features in a game that they want. It is fine and dandy tallking about the spit and polish of a final game but you can't eat software. That and part one are big reasons games get released buggy. It isn't right, it isn't fair but it happens.

3. There is a big trend in games today of releasing a game at a certain date and then patching it later. With today's high speed connects it is a lot easier patching a game. IN the past you had to deal with the limitations that a 56k connect would pose but almost everyone today has a high speed connect.

4. A lot of what people want doesn't apply to what the developer had in mind. Lets face it, what I think would be cool may not be what the developer was thinking. Sometimes different people can look at the same box and come up with different ways of using it. A lot of these mods were never considered by the developers. The good thing is that the people that made this game actually encourage this kind of stuff.

Onkel Neal · 03-03-10, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

I mean, neal gave SHIII a thumbs up back in the day... but did it take a year to get it without major bugs?

At the risk of sounding like an asshool, but WHY do the modders do this kind of thing the producer is supposed to provide?

the community fixing things, and the mouth to mouth propaganda will generate more sales.

do the "file fiddlers" or "modders" see a penny of that? do they get a DRM free copy? do they get a gold copy of SH6?

damn!

SH6 will be just an empty box, we can mod from there.

CCIP · 03-03-10, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by yojimbo

this is only reflecting my own opinion , but personaly i think the bigest part of the blame should go to ubi-romania , nothing personaly agaisnt romania but i think they was bad codder and programer whit bad administration and all if you compare to the game made by ubi-montreal it day and night.

nothing against montreal, but when did ubi montreal make subsims?

Drifter · 03-03-10, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

I mean, neal gave SHIII a thumbs up back in the day... but did it take a year to get it without major bugs?

At the risk of sounding like an asshool, but WHY do the modders do this kind of thing the producer is supposed to provide?

the community fixing things, and the mouth to mouth propaganda will generate more sales.

do the "file fiddlers" or "modders" see a penny of that? do they get a DRM free copy? do they get a gold copy of SH6?

damn!

It's simple. They know the modders will pick up the slack of a rushed, broken and unfinished game. More profits for the publisher.

Charlie901 · 03-03-10, 09:42 PM

Some of the Devs are already posting that the Community Mods will address the things we are all yelling about...

In that case I sincerely hope the Modders also get some of the Devs profits!

karamazovnew · 03-03-10, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie901

Some of the Devs are already posting that the Community Mods will address the things we are all yelling about...

In that case I sincerely hope the Modders also get some of the Devs profits!

Wowow, hold on there, they said things on the line of "we didn't put this and that because it wasn't part of our big picture". That's what modding is all about. BUT bugs are bugs and can not be fixed by the community. At the moment the game doesn't work right and it will be fixed by them. Once done it will be a better vanilla than SH3.

Sure we can say "why didn't they wait a few more months for it to be PERFECT?". Well, here's the game, wait for a few more months and it will be PERFECT.

Vipper · 03-03-10, 10:21 PM

Wait a 3-5 years then, after patched and modded, play it...

janh · 03-03-10, 10:26 PM

Yeah, too bad that Ubi keeps pushing the developers like this to publish games in what was years ago considered to be a beta state. They are basically pushing their own franchise series over the edge.

Modders shouldn't be needed to fix anything, and I think as before it is pretty safe to assume that at least bugs will be patched over time. Game design related things, like the more casual customer oriented arcade style will stay unless modders take care of that.

I guess that is where your decision as a customer comes into play once the game is in a finished state (after the last patch) -- is it something that looks enticing and suits your wishes, or not?

The interesting thought that is forced on me here is: If it requires modders to get this game both into a reasonable state (as compared to say a previous final release like SHIII, or IV) that a customer can expect, who should get what share of the sales price???? It can't but see the logic that everyone should get what he deserves for the efforts invested, and I always am impressed by the efforts put up by serious modders!

frenema · 03-03-10, 10:50 PM

Why are people letting this kind of 'release it half-done then patch it later' practice of companies by buying their games unquestioningly? Why does this have to be something that is 'normal'? Does this mean people are also willing to wait for Toyota to mail them new brakes after 6 months of purchase?

Turbografx · 03-03-10, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by frenema

Why are people letting this kind of 'release it half-done then patch it later' practice of companies by buying their games unquestioningly? Why does this have to be something that is 'normal'? Does this mean people are also willing to wait for Toyota to mail them new brakes after 6 months of purchase?

Exactly.

You don't buy a couch and have them send you the cushions 3 months later.
You wouldn't buy a big mac, period. But if you did, you wouldn't expect to get the cheese 3 months later.

Why do we keep buying games that clearly aren't finished? So clearly, in fact, that they have a day one patch?

03-03-10, 08:27 PM	#76
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	all i hear is "let the modders finish it" "give it a year" if UBI dont let the Devs finish it, what then? is it up to the customer to first FIX the obvious problems to level out the game value, and then , after a year of fiddling with the files, start the actual improving of the content? ? bonkers? Churchill: nuts? __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

03-03-10, 08:57 PM	#81
SimHq Tom Cofield Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 30 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Several reasons. 1. The company doesn't give the game developers enough time to do everything they want to do so the developer makes as much as they can and then tries to create a structure that others can build on. 2. People don't want to wait another six months to year to get some of the features in a game that they want. It is fine and dandy tallking about the spit and polish of a final game but you can't eat software. That and part one are big reasons games get released buggy. It isn't right, it isn't fair but it happens. 3. There is a big trend in games today of releasing a game at a certain date and then patching it later. With today's high speed connects it is a lot easier patching a game. IN the past you had to deal with the limitations that a 56k connect would pose but almost everyone today has a high speed connect. 4. A lot of what people want doesn't apply to what the developer had in mind. Lets face it, what I think would be cool may not be what the developer was thinking. Sometimes different people can look at the same box and come up with different ways of using it. A lot of these mods were never considered by the developers. The good thing is that the people that made this game actually encourage this kind of stuff. __________________ Thomas Cofield Feature Editor, SimHq.com www.simhq.com cofster1@simhq.com

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03-03-10, 09:42 PM	#85
Charlie901 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 413 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Some of the Devs are already posting that the Community Mods will address the things we are all yelling about... In that case I sincerely hope the Modders also get some of the Devs profits!

03-03-10, 10:21 PM	#87
Vipper Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 122 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Wait a 3-5 years then, after patched and modded, play it...

03-03-10, 10:26 PM	#88
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah, too bad that Ubi keeps pushing the developers like this to publish games in what was years ago considered to be a beta state. They are basically pushing their own franchise series over the edge. Modders shouldn't be needed to fix anything, and I think as before it is pretty safe to assume that at least bugs will be patched over time. Game design related things, like the more casual customer oriented arcade style will stay unless modders take care of that. I guess that is where your decision as a customer comes into play once the game is in a finished state (after the last patch) -- is it something that looks enticing and suits your wishes, or not? The interesting thought that is forced on me here is: If it requires modders to get this game both into a reasonable state (as compared to say a previous final release like SHIII, or IV) that a customer can expect, who should get what share of the sales price???? It can't but see the logic that everyone should get what he deserves for the efforts invested, and I always am impressed by the efforts put up by serious modders!

03-03-10, 10:50 PM	#89
frenema Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 116 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Why are people letting this kind of 'release it half-done then patch it later' practice of companies by buying their games unquestioningly? Why does this have to be something that is 'normal'? Does this mean people are also willing to wait for Toyota to mail them new brakes after 6 months of purchase?