DD not responding to attacks?

CCIP · 03-03-10, 03:12 PM

I've been digging through the script files in the game and there's some stuff that strikes me as odd in the AI scripting. I have a sneaking suspicion that some of these scripts are half-finished and not working as intended, and actually AI skill level setting may be having something to do with it.

For what it's worth, all the reports I'm getting suggest that at least novice-level air AI isn't working, while the mechanism that forces DD AI to go into alert mode and search the area where the attack happened is broken. Both could easily be down to broken scripts and I hope the devs look at this quickly for the next patch.

joejccva71 · 03-03-10, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I've been digging through the script files in the game and there's some stuff that strikes me as odd in the AI scripting. I have a sneaking suspicion that some of these scripts are half-finished and not working as intended, and actually AI skill level setting may be having something to do with it.

For what it's worth, all the reports I'm getting suggest that at least novice-level air AI isn't working, while the mechanism that forces DD AI to go into alert mode and search the area where the attack happened is broken. Both could easily be down to broken scripts and I hope the devs look at this quickly for the next patch.

I don't understand how something so gamebreaking as DD AI could have been not tested before release. I thought the AI was supposed to be much more robust and intuitive in this new title.

malkuth74 · 03-03-10, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by joejccva71

I don't understand how something so gamebreaking as DD AI could have been not tested before release. I thought the AI was supposed to be much more robust and intuitive in this new title.

Maybe the devs have the same mantra lots of people on these boards have....

Oh the Modders will fix it.

03-03-10, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by malkuth74

Maybe the devs have the same mantra lots of people on these boards have....

Oh the Modders will fix it.

i prefer to give them more credit then that and will assume they werent given proper time to devote to it.

if the boss says work on x, y, & z you do it even if you know the roof isnt on the building yet. i think they were instructed to be spending time on DRM issues instead of the game.

walsh2509 · 03-03-10, 03:53 PM

early war 39-40 was it not the case that navy cover for merchants was only from 200+miles out and the early equipment as they say could hardly find an elephant in a room.

I understand that DD should be tweaked but not to jump to overpowering in the early years just becuase it doesn't feel right.

Bilge_Rat · 03-03-10, 03:55 PM

could be based on skill levels. In the Narvik single mission, DD's spotted my periscope and started firing at it from a fairly long range.

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-10, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by walsh2509

early war 39-40 was it not the case that navy cover for merchants was only from 200+miles out and the early equipment as they say could hardly find an elephant in a room.

I understand that DD should be tweaked but not to jump to overpowering in the early years just becuase it doesn't feel right.

Excellent point sir. Recall the devs felt the uboat war ended in 43 when it was damn near impossible to survive a patrol. Should the escort be killers at this point?

malkuth74 · 03-03-10, 03:59 PM

I understand the point of the early war guys... But seriously... Do you think that if your a destroyer captain in the early years and all of a sudden your merchant that your escorting blows up.. That maybe you should at least change course, slow down and start to at least try? Even if its futile?

In my 3 examples the destroyers just kept going straight and did not blink an eye.

LOL.

Rock on sailor dudes. We have 2 others that are still moving.

CCIP · 03-03-10, 03:59 PM

Well, while overall the escort effectiveness shouldn't be too great in '39, it's worth pointing out that on a per-patrol/per-uboat basis, the first few months of the war were in fact some of the deadliest of the war for U-boats.

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-10, 04:01 PM

CCIP, does the game offer rookie up to elite like SH4 does with warships?

CCIP · 03-03-10, 04:05 PM

yeah. I've not looked into it too deep, but the "levels" look to be identical. And the vast majority of everything in early game is rookie.

03-03-10, 03:12 PM	#1
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I've been digging through the script files in the game and there's some stuff that strikes me as odd in the AI scripting. I have a sneaking suspicion that some of these scripts are half-finished and not working as intended, and actually AI skill level setting may be having something to do with it. For what it's worth, all the reports I'm getting suggest that at least novice-level air AI isn't working, while the mechanism that forces DD AI to go into alert mode and search the area where the attack happened is broken. Both could easily be down to broken scripts and I hope the devs look at this quickly for the next patch. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 03:55 PM	#6
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	could be based on skill levels. In the Narvik single mission, DD's spotted my periscope and started firing at it from a fairly long range. __________________

03-03-10, 03:59 PM	#8
malkuth74 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 377 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I understand the point of the early war guys... But seriously... Do you think that if your a destroyer captain in the early years and all of a sudden your merchant that your escorting blows up.. That maybe you should at least change course, slow down and start to at least try? Even if its futile? In my 3 examples the destroyers just kept going straight and did not blink an eye. LOL. Rock on sailor dudes. We have 2 others that are still moving. __________________

03-03-10, 03:59 PM	#9
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Well, while overall the escort effectiveness shouldn't be too great in '39, it's worth pointing out that on a per-patrol/per-uboat basis, the first few months of the war were in fact some of the deadliest of the war for U-boats. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 04:01 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,293 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	CCIP, does the game offer rookie up to elite like SH4 does with warships? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-03-10, 03:53 PM	#5
walsh2509 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 410 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	early war 39-40 was it not the case that navy cover for merchants was only from 200+miles out and the early equipment as they say could hardly find an elephant in a room. I understand that DD should be tweaked but not to jump to overpowering in the early years just becuase it doesn't feel right.

03-03-10, 04:05 PM	#11
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	yeah. I've not looked into it too deep, but the "levels" look to be identical. And the vast majority of everything in early game is rookie. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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