The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

PC gamer put some of our concerns to ubi.

Link:- http://www.computerandvideogames.com...35596&site=pcg

From that article:

We wouldn't have built it if we thought that it was really going to piss off our customers.

But now they know it is p***ing them off, sod them?

How will I know what I'll lose?
"You'll have to wait for the reviews, and to hear what your peers are saying."

Er... riiiiiiight... WTF? Why on Earth do we have to read a review to find out - why won't Ubisoft just tell us what the product does. I don't like all this veil of mystery regarding DRM. I bet it won't be on the box. Requires permanent internet connection or your game will freeze and you will lose your progress. Nope, that would put people off buying the game, so that won't make it on. Informed consumer choice my bum!

That article reads like a spoof interview with the worlds worst software house. It would be funny, except it's not a joke.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

From that article:

But now they know it is p***ing them off, sod them?

Er... riiiiiiight... WTF? Why on Earth do we have to read a review to find out - why won't Ubisoft just tell us what the product does. I don't like all this veil of mystery regarding DRM. I bet it won't be on the box. Requires permanent internet connection or your game will freeze and you will lose your progress. Nope, that would put people off buying the game, so that won't make it on. Informed consumer choice my bum!

That article reads like a spoof interview with the worlds worst software house. It would be funny, except it's not a joke.

I must admit this is beginning to look increasingly concerning

[Sgtmonkeynads]

By the sounds of everything a good old Dead is Dead campaign is,... well Dead !

Autosave defeats the purpose, and bad connection will kill you,
so...Bye Bye SH5 D.I.D. thread, would have bean nice to meet you.

[Jace11]

So sad at hearing this news...

I didn't buy Dawn of War II and Empire Total War because of Steam and the idea of renting a game after spending £30 - 40 on it.

It looks like I won't be getting SH5. I was a big fan of all three series, but I still have SH4 and mods. It works without a CD in the drive and without internet.

I have to say I have switched to playing PS3 games now. There are no simulations or in-depth games like the SH series but at least the game is released relatively unbugged, you can play offline, online play is free and you own a disc that you can use whenever you like. Me and several friends have switch from the PC format.

I still have a love of simulations but the DRM is very offputting. So I think I will find myself playing the older generations of games like SH4 or Lock On etc rather than SH5 and the newer flight sims.

Sorry to SH5 dev team, this sounds like a stupid ubi idea and probably isnt their fault.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Jace11

There are no simulations or in-depth games like the SH series but at least the game is released relatively unbugged [...]

Yeah... Games like Tetris don't have bugs, that's for sure. It's the awesome complicated stuff (like an unrestrained-world simulator) that has bugs. And even now, that consoles also have hard drives, internet access, patches for games (and not-free DLC), do you really think they're not gonna end up suffering from bugs just like PC games do? I think they will, for sure. Either that, or console-games publishers will do what they aren't doing now for PC games: not release the games until they are 100% bug free.

Cheers

[Jace11]

Originally Posted by martes86

Yeah... Games like Tetris don't have bugs, that's for sure. It's the awesome complicated stuff (like an unrestrained-world simulator) that has bugs. And even now, that consoles also have hard drives, internet access, patches for games (and not-free DLC), do you really think they're not gonna end up suffering from bugs just like PC games do? I think they will, for sure. Either that, or console-games publishers will do what they aren't doing now for PC games: not release the games until they are 100% bug free.

Cheers

Console games are not 100% bug free - well spotted, have a prize... But you did miss that I said "relatively unbugged". To explain that statement for you, so you understand... it means there are bugs, just less when compared to PC games. As anyone who played SH3 and SH4 on release will know, these games were riddled with bugs that ruined the atmosphere. SH4 was worse though. It wasn't finished on release.

Remember the flying subs and stuff like that... It was horrific. Many modders fixed these things, patches helped, but often modders fixed them before the dev team. Half the modding community emerged because they wanted to fix the games mistakes, not changed a few textures. It took nearly a year of fixes till I was happy with SH4.

SH5 will be bug ridden on release also. Sorry, but it will. Did you listen to the preview vids. Voices swapping between German and American accents.. God knows what else will be in there.

I'm not bothering this time...

[TheDarkWraith]

As one who BETA tested Settlers 7 and this new DRM scheme I can say it's for the birds.
Yes I had to have a constant internet connection to play - if my internet connection stuttered for a period of time the game would freeze in time and then resume once the connection was restored. This happened many times for unknown reasons causing me to either miss an upgrade, lose a battle, or lag behind in production. I have DSL and couldn't figure out why I had these stutters.
This same DRM is more than likely what is being used with SH5.
Other than that I didn't notice anything 'bad' about the type of DRM being used. I did have to log onto my Ubisoft account everytime before I could play the game which I found very disconcerting. Why do they need to know when I'm playing the game? Collecting demographic data from me and not paying me for it? I don't think so!! But out of principle I wouldn't buy a game that I always had to ask mommy and daddy if i could play or had to be under their watchful eye while I was playing it.
I'll wait until the game is properly 'patched' so that I don't have to deal with this annoyance.
Those with determination and desire can overcome any obstacle. Ubisoft should quit wasting $$ on silly DRM stuff and invest that money into the game's content and playability.
But I'm one that never backed down from a challenge so I say bring it on Spite is a powerful motivator.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Jace11

Console games are not 100% bug free - well spotted, have a prize... But you did miss that I said "relatively unbugged". To explain that statement for you, so you understand... it means there are bugs, just less when compared to PC games. As anyone who played SH3 and SH4 on release will know, these games were riddled with bugs that ruined the atmosphere. SH4 was worse though. It wasn't finished on release.

Remember the flying subs and stuff like that... It was horrific. Many modders fixed these things, patches helped, but often modders fixed them before the dev team. Half the modding community emerged because they wanted to fix the games mistakes, not changed a few textures. It took nearly a year of fixes till I was happy with SH4.

No, I didn't miss it, but the way you put it, seems like if it was total awesomeness with just 2 or 3 bugs. Still, you can't compare development of one plataform to another... just because the complexity of the stuff being developed is totally different.

SH4 sure was bugged, totally unfinished, no one says otherwise... SH3, had its quirks, but I wouldn't go as far to say "atmosphere ruining".

Originally Posted by Jace11

SH5 will be bug ridden on release also. Sorry, but it will. Did you listen to the preview vids. Voices swapping between German and American accents.. God knows what else will be in there.

Sure! Now that you say it, I can be totally certain of it! Wrong accents of the voices in a preview version video absolutely mean the game will be full of bugs and unplayable

At least use stronger arguments, please.

Cheers

[Denson]

There's a lot of argument around pirates....
SH3 and SH4 have been on the internet cracked avaible to DL, indeed.

BUT, Sub Sim is a niche market. Ppl who play it will buy cause they're fans.

This DRM is not necessary

As a example Egosoft's X3Terran Conflict (privatter style space sim).
A long story short:
X3 reunion was the predecessor, the engine uses scripts. The COMMUNITY was able to implement many mods and new script to enhance tha game like X-tended mod ( GWX for sh3).
The same modders participated to create X3TC.
The last game needed the CD to be played with Securom. They removed it in a patch because the community that bought the game asked the dev.

Thats how you avoid piracy, buy customers heart, LISTEN them and interact with them. This way the next game is not a faillure because there are peoples ideas implemented, that will BUY the game.


For the last years i saw SH series and the subsim community having this kind of bound. Modders are very active, some people did tremendous work to find informations, schemes to allow modders make the game more accurate etc. That's how u make a better game.

This DRM for me is more a punishment for the community. The real fans IMO would be the major part of SH5 sales.

my 2 cents

[Brag]

Right, chaps!

The article:

Link:-http://www.computerandvideogames.com...35596&site=pcg

Shows that Ubi is run by total idiots who take their customers to be bigger idiots than themselves.

Who would want to buy anything from such niwits?

If I was an Ubi shareholder, I'd be selling my shares fast.

[OakGroove]

UBI can go take a long walk off a short pier. Anyone who actually buys this dreck actively supports the byzantine and ignorant vision of these control freaks.

[Seafireliv]

Originally Posted by OakGroove

UBI can go take a long walk off a short pier. Anyone who actually buys this dreck actively supports the byzantine and ignorant vision of these control freaks.

Well said. And that`s what it`s all about- control.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Brag

Right, chaps!

The article:

Link:-http://www.computerandvideogames.com...35596&site=pcg

Shows that Ubi is run by total idiots who take their customers to be bigger idiots than themselves.

Who would want to buy anything from such niwits?

If I was an Ubi shareholder, I'd be selling my shares fast.

I don't know if it's only me at my end Brag but I can't get the link to work

[tommyk]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I don't know if it's only me at my end Brag but I can't get the link to work

I guess it is this one on PC Gamer Blog

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by tommyk

I guess it is this one on PC Gamer Blog

Danke