Subsim Video: New Manual TDC Video in HD (2/13/10)

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by makman94

take it easy Martes....you are getting rude ! i am only expressing my opinion ,that has nothing to do with anyone PERSONALLY of the devs ! that is my thought ok ? and ,for me, i don't see that they worked hard for that tdc....
sorry , but this is what i see

ps: about the insults: i don't think that i insult anyone of the devs by saying that this job is 'fast' made but what is making sense to me is that you ...

Fair point, however...

It may be a language or cultural thing but saying someone is "lazy" is an insult. It's not the way we talk here, even amongst 'ourselves'.

JCC

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Fair point, however...

It may be a language or cultural thing but saying someone is "lazy" is an insult. It's not the way we talk here, even amongst 'ourselves'.

JCC

And concidering a few of us have met the devs in person, saying the devs are lazy is like saying a friends of ours is lazy.
They have worked hard to make the best with what they had. I dont doubt that!

[martes86]

Originally Posted by makman94

take it easy Martes....you are getting rude ! i am only expressing my opinion ,that has nothing to do with anyone PERSONALLY of the devs ! that is my thought ok ? and ,for me, i don't see that they worked hard for that tdc....
sorry , but this is what i see

ps: about the insults: i don't think that i insult anyone of the devs by saying that this job is 'fast' made but what is making sense to me is that you ,also, don't know me but this didn't 'block' you to insult me
bottom line is that i have to say my opinion only when i like something at sh series ?

I've already replied your PM, but I want things to be clear, that I've never made any insults or threats, however agitated I might have looked. The posts below show quite clearly my concerns:

Originally Posted by Jerik

I suspect Martes's concern is more that you're making broad assertions about their intent without understanding how the development process works. Software programming of any kind is not easy, and I speak from experience. Even very small tasks can take days or weeks to complete; features that seem simple or easy to build may actually have dozens of lines "under the hood", or be very complex in design.

Originally Posted by McBeck

And concidering a few of us have met the devs in person, saying the devs are lazy is like saying a friends of ours is lazy.
They have worked hard to make the best with what they had. I dont doubt that!

On this last one, for me, a "lazy" person is someone who doesn't want to do something, that prefers to sleep or lay down on a confy couch and watch TV all day. That is both a flaw of character and an insult, when such is not true. And in someone who works on this field, it'd be a rather unprofessional behaviour. And since I am a developer myself, I took offense to that.
Anyways, I'll quote myself on this one:

[...] I just stated that a moderator should take action against the kind statements like you just made.
Second, you don't know the devs either, and yet you say they're lazy!! Come on, you're just telling me why am I mad at you without knowing you, but you don't know the Devs and are bold enough to say they're lazy. I consider that an insult. By saying they're lazy, you're stating that they're crappy professionals, that don't want to do their job right. I'm a Developer too (not an SH5 developer though... [I wish I was ]), so I can't avoid taking offense from people who, without knowing anything, say these professionals are lazy.

I'm not against constructive criticism, I actually support it... but I won't support people saying the Devs are lazy, and some other stuff that's also nonsense. That is just out of line, and it's insulting for any professional of the branch, not just the SH5 Devs.

I think that says about everything. And I hope it clears this up.

[hachiman]

1) How come he still hit with such a messed up AoB?

2) Will the crew speak German in the game?

Thanx

[karamazovnew]

1). the AOB is not messed up. AOB's are symmetrical to the torpedo track. In other words, if the torpedo track angle is 90 degrees, the gyro will be the same if a ship is closing at 60 degrees port AOB OR moving away at 120 degrees port AOB. You can test this in SH3 and SH4 too.

Plus, as you can see, the range is very small, 600m. He could've put any AOB between 30 and 150, it wouldn't have made much of a difference.

2) yes, you can choose either english or german voices

[hachiman]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

1). the AOB is not messed up. AOB's are symmetrical to the torpedo track. In other words, if the torpedo track angle is 90 degrees, the gyro will be the same if a ship is closing at 60 degrees port AOB OR moving away at 120 degrees port AOB.

Can you explain that please in a bit more detail?

To me he put his own position at port 128 degrees whereas in my understanding he should have put it port 30-45 degrees.

[TH0R]

Originally Posted by hachiman

Can you explain that please in a bit more detail?

To me he put his own position at port 128 degrees whereas in my understanding he should have put it port 30-45 degrees.

The very same thing has been bugging me as well.

The answer is very simple: the distance was short (~600m), he did enter port AOB (though as if the ship is sailing away from him), and lastly he fired a salvo - few eels were bound to hit.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by hachiman

Can you explain that please in a bit more detail?

To me he put his own position at port 128 degrees whereas in my understanding he should have put it port 30-45 degrees.

I think that it may have something to do with Neal (or is it Neil?... so hard to remember... ) being a direct descendant of Chuck Norris... and we all know what's up with Onkel Chuck and his "abilities"...

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by hachiman

Can you explain that please in a bit more detail?

To me he put his own position at port 128 degrees whereas in my understanding he should have put it port 30-45 degrees.

Sorry, a bit tired now so I won't explain the geometry behind this:




- In the left image you have the proper TDC settings for that ship:
Bearing 345, AOB 30, Speed 8, Range 600m. The gyro is 327.

- In the middle image, as I move the AOB dial to increase the port AOB, the gyro deviation will increase, but at one point, it will stop and start moving backwards. I call this "Track Angle". In my example, the gyro started increasing again as I reached 80 AOB. The gyro for that setting is 318.

- In the right image I continued to increase the AOB until the Gyro moved back to it's initial setting of 327 (326 in the pic). As you can see, that was for an AOB of 130.

As I previously said, the Gyro is always the same for AOB's that are symmetrical to the "track angle". In our case, 80-30=130-80=50. In other words, Neal actually did a correct shot.

You can test this on any TDC in both SH3 and SH4, in any interace. Just move the AOB and keep an eye on the gyro dial. When it stops moving in one direction and starts rotating back, you've hit the "track angle" AOB. Any AOB on either side of that value will result in identical gyros as any AOB of symmetrical value to the track angle aob.

Hope that makes sense. You never need to use this in game, I just wanted to show why neal hit a ship with the WRONG AOB setting.