New ship reveal - Nelson

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Once again there seems to be a fixation with large, fancy battleships & carriers, even though the Battle of the Atlantic was all about sinking commercial ships. I would be happy with about 3-4 generic varieties of merchants, troopships, & tankers, like in "Aces of the Deep", but somehow I doubt that even that many will ship with the game.

Sincerely hope will be more than that ingame
Hopefully a better mix too and variety
No C2s for everyone as in SH3 including Germany

Some totally generic shipping plus the Victory\Liberty\Oceans\Parks\Forts\Doxfords etc would be cool

[iambecomelife]

Plus, if you think about it for a moment the premise of the Dynamic Campaign video is unrealistic.

It advises that we can "change history" by attacking Force H & other groups of capital ships, when in reality sinking these units was extremely difficult. You had to:

A) Be in a position where they were sailing towards your sub, since BB's and CV's usually were faster than 20 kts

B) Get close enough to avoid detection

C) Calculate speed, bearing, and range on an object moving much faster than the average merchant ship.

The only BB's and CV's sunk at sea by U-Boats during WWII were the following:

Courageous
Ark Royal
Barham
Eagle
Block Island
Avenger
Audacity

That comes out to little more than one heavy unit sunk per year of the war by the ENTIRE U-BOAT ARM. It's also worth noting that "Block Island", "Avenger", and "Audacity" were basically mercantile units with speeds slower than a U-Boat (15-16.5 kts) & poor protection. Plus the sinking of "Ark Royal" was a very lucky, 1-in a million shot.

Hunting task forces was not feasible until the post-WWII era, when submerged speeds began to approach the speeds of surface ships. Recognizing this, the Kriegsmarine usually assigned U-Boats to sink merchant vessels alone, only attacking heavy ships under the most favorable circumstances. But hey, I suppose the all-important "casual players" need a dozen battleship scalps to make themselves feel good.

[Adriatico]

+ 1 jambecomlife

Too much "battleships" opsession... and simulation should be directed to merchants and convoys, i.e. search for them...

But I guess that kids that are "target group" of Ubi marketing like blasting HMS Rodney and change the history...

But who are we, anyway, to complain...?

[elanaiba]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

+ 1 jambecomlife

Too much "battleships" opsession... and simulation should be directed to merchants and convoys, i.e. search for them...

But I guess that kids that are "target group" of Ubi marketing like blasting HMS Rodney and change the history...

But who are we, anyway, to complain...?

Okay, that's it. I agree. We're taking the battleships out

[Kapitanleutnant]

so how about that drm1943typeviionly eh? hoo boy yep that sure is something

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Okay, that's it. I agree. We're taking the battleships out

LMAO

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Okay, that's it. I agree. We're taking the battleships out

"Taken out" is 80% of simulation community... so battleships are not problem, just leave them... They are too large to be saved online, anyway...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Some totally generic shipping plus the Victory\Liberty\Oceans\Parks\Forts\Doxfords etc would be cool

Want those Canadian split-superstructure Liberties!

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly
Some totally generic shipping plus the Victory\Liberty\Oceans\Parks\Forts\Doxfords etc would be cool

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Want those Canadian split-superstructure Liberties!

The original Liberty's

These sixty 'Ocean' class vessels were built to the original 'Empire Liberty' design which was in essence the first 'North Sands' ship.

http://fortships.tripod.com/oceans.htm



Never sure why nobody modded those
Ocean class = 60
North Sands\Canadian type as Forts = 155
North Sands\Canadian type as Parks = 114 + 13 tankers + forty-two 4,700 t dry cargo carriers
Victory type as Forts\Parks = 32

All used by Britain

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Never sure why nobody modded those

I asked, more than once.

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I asked, more than once.

There are four ships based on the Parks/British Liberties in the Merchant Fleet Mod beta. One with the split deckhouse on an island, one flush decker, and a CAM-ship version of each.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

There are four ships based on the Parks/British Liberties in the Merchant Fleet Mod beta. One with the split deckhouse on an island, one flush decker, and a CAM-ship version of each.

Which ones are they? Have I been applying the wrong names to the wrong ships? Wouldn't surprise me, but then we haven't communicated as much as I would have liked.