SHV may be a flop because no one cares anymore

02-03-10, 06:37 AM

It's obvious that developers don't give a ... something about all these posts in subsim forums, they will just try to sell the game mainly to the arcade style game players. The mainstream matters these days. So, in the event that the game can and it will be modded, and I put an emphasis on "if the game can be modded and brought to a playable level", if the game will be released on the market in march, it will be probably fully playable by simulator enhusiasts not sooner than next year. And that in the best case scenario. And there are too many "if"'s, unfortunately ... Rebirth of the GWX4 project will probably be the last "chance" for a lot of us.

Feuer Frei! · 02-03-10, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

It's obvious that developers don't give a ...

Developers or Ubisoft?

TDK1044 · 02-03-10, 06:47 AM

Silent Hunter 5 looks like being an arcade game targeted at the casual gamer and only available via the internet.

I can't think of a worse combination than that.

SteamWake · 02-04-10, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Silent Hunter 5 looks like being an arcade game targeted at the casual gamer and only available via the internet.

I can't think of a worse combination than that.

It sure looks that way.

02-03-10, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Developers or Ubisoft?

Both of them, they are very "related". And I feel really sad and disappointed to say that, thinking that the game is being developed in my own country. And the saddest this in all that is the fact that I know for sure the developers can do a lot more, but since the "direction" is being given from higher spheres ... they will just obey, they are doing this for money, they must earn a way of living somehow. In some degree, I understand them. It's the same like in the music industry and other stuff that needs to maximize the money profit in the first place. But unfortunately, some of us are still living in an idealistic world.
Just remembring that first trailer in english makes me feel sick in the stomach. That was the first sign that the game will probably not be for me.

Kapitanleutnant · 02-03-10, 07:12 AM

SH5 will flop because the simulation has been diluted in an effort to chase a larger market.
There are a lot of people - gamers - who will look at a subsim (or any sim) and think "BORING!". They're not bad people, they're not stupid either, they just have different taste. And they make up the vast, vast majority of the gaming market. Ubisoft is desperate to give this series a broader appeal, and is prepared to lower the quality of the simulation to do that. But it won't work.

Does anybody think that the average Modern Warfare or Halo player (both good games) will look at Silent Hunter 5 and think "Oh gee wow special abiities this is just what I've been waiting for!"? The answer is no. They will not.
These new "features" won't draw in a non-subsimming crowd, because these people are not interested in submarine simulations. That's it. And by futilely pandering to this market, Ubisoft have damaged the series' credibility with their core market of simulationists.

I don't think I've ever seen such a botched attempt to market a game before.
Well, maybe Daikatana...

IanC · 02-03-10, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

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Just remembring that first trailer in english makes me feel sick in the stomach. That was the first sign that the game will probably not be for me.

Yeah, good point. I remember after seeing the first trailer, I posted something like "I hope the game will be better than the trailer". Something just felt...wrong somehow.

02-03-10, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

Yeah, good point. I remember after seeing the first trailer, I posted something like "I hope the game will be better than the trailer". Something just felt...wrong somehow.

And not to speak about the latest glitch from this long series of disappointments ... that so called "sh5 pdf campaign overview" that was leaked a couple of days ago ... totally unprofessional stuff. There's a translation of that act. It looks like: "OK, you are demanding more info about the game, you are hungry, here's some ... s*!@, eat it while it's still hot!"

Brag · 02-03-10, 07:58 AM

Since the announcement that SHV was in the works, Ubi marketing was mostly quiet (a good thing).

The first trailer was sort of bleah, but not enough to discourage people from buying.

Then came the BIG IMPACT statement. DRM/OSP infected game. This derailed the whole project and alienated the SH series main client support base.

Then, meet the crew came out, a badly written mish mash copied from some fantasy script.

I wonder what Ubi's marketing team will come up with next.

Their effort, so far, has been to speed up the pace of a train off the rails.

Toot, toot!

Stand back, train wreck in progress.

Moo.

Fish40 · 02-03-10, 08:29 AM

I don't know what to think anymore

Thank God at the moment I don't have a system that'll run the game that great, so it takes the pressure off me alittle. Although I firmly believe that eyecandy is a large part of any sim, it dose not compensate for lack of realism and an arcade "feel" to the game. If all the negative interpretations and observations thus far pan out to be true, this is not a sim anymore, plain and simple!

I don't think it's a matter of "careing", it's a matter of $$$$! Let's face it. I can't remember an employer I ever worked for that cared for his workers more than his bottom line. If you know of one, give me his number please!

frau kaleun · 02-03-10, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brag

I wonder what Ubi's marketing team will come up with next.

Their effort, so far, has been to speed up the pace of a train off the rails.

Toot, toot!

Stand back, train wreck in progress.

Moo.

psykopatsak · 02-08-10, 10:40 AM

am rather excited about it, but my comp cannot run it probably, and scince im out of money (im a muscician-student and damn instruments and stuff is expensive

) my desk wont be seeing a new rig for a while...

Jimbuna · 02-08-10, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by psykopatsak

am rather excited about it, but my comp cannot run it probably, and scince im out of money (im a muscician-student and damn instruments and stuff is expensive

) my desk wont be seeing a new rig for a while...

At least when your position improves you should have a good idea if the upgrade will be worthwhile.....in an SH5 context.

Solidsnake2234 · 09-18-11, 02:23 PM

You've never seen everyone not wanting a game to come out? Go check the Brothers in Arm's fanbase. No one want's BiA- Furrious Four, to come out besides CoD fans XD

09-18-11, 02:54 PM

When I can play more than just a Type VII sub, I'll express a greater interest in SH5. It seems like a fine title, with a lot of promise, but the previous two games offer much more variety at the moment. I would buy an expansion pack in a heartbeat if it included more subs. Still, when I feel like a little Type VII action, it's nice to have SH5 at the ready.

02-03-10, 07:12 AM	#6
Kapitanleutnant Frogman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	SH5 will flop because the simulation has been diluted in an effort to chase a larger market. There are a lot of people - gamers - who will look at a subsim (or any sim) and think "BORING!". They're not bad people, they're not stupid either, they just have different taste. And they make up the vast, vast majority of the gaming market. Ubisoft is desperate to give this series a broader appeal, and is prepared to lower the quality of the simulation to do that. But it won't work. Does anybody think that the average Modern Warfare or Halo player (both good games) will look at Silent Hunter 5 and think "Oh gee wow special abiities this is just what I've been waiting for!"? The answer is no. They will not. These new "features" won't draw in a non-subsimming crowd, because these people are not interested in submarine simulations. That's it. And by futilely pandering to this market, Ubisoft have damaged the series' credibility with their core market of simulationists. I don't think I've ever seen such a botched attempt to market a game before. Well, maybe Daikatana... __________________ Oh worse than Hitler! You wouldn't find Hitler playing jungle music at three o'clock in the morning!

02-03-10, 07:58 AM	#9
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Marketing Train Wreck? Since the announcement that SHV was in the works, Ubi marketing was mostly quiet (a good thing). The first trailer was sort of bleah, but not enough to discourage people from buying. Then came the BIG IMPACT statement. DRM/OSP infected game. This derailed the whole project and alienated the SH series main client support base. Then, meet the crew came out, a badly written mish mash copied from some fantasy script. I wonder what Ubi's marketing team will come up with next. Their effort, so far, has been to speed up the pace of a train off the rails. Toot, toot! Stand back, train wreck in progress. Moo. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

02-08-10, 10:40 AM	#12
psykopatsak Medic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Grid AO27 Posts: 161 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	am rather excited about it, but my comp cannot run it probably, and scince im out of money (im a muscician-student and damn instruments and stuff is expensive) my desk wont be seeing a new rig for a while...

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02-03-10, 06:37 AM	#1
Gunnodayak Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	It's obvious that developers don't give a ... something about all these posts in subsim forums, they will just try to sell the game mainly to the arcade style game players. The mainstream matters these days. So, in the event that the game can and it will be modded, and I put an emphasis on "if the game can be modded and brought to a playable level", if the game will be released on the market in march, it will be probably fully playable by simulator enhusiasts not sooner than next year. And that in the best case scenario. And there are too many "if"'s, unfortunately ... Rebirth of the GWX4 project will probably be the last "chance" for a lot of us.

02-03-10, 06:47 AM	#3
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Silent Hunter 5 looks like being an arcade game targeted at the casual gamer and only available via the internet. I can't think of a worse combination than that.

02-03-10, 08:29 AM	#10
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	I don't know what to think anymore Thank God at the moment I don't have a system that'll run the game that great, so it takes the pressure off me alittle. Although I firmly believe that eyecandy is a large part of any sim, it dose not compensate for lack of realism and an arcade "feel" to the game. If all the negative interpretations and observations thus far pan out to be true, this is not a sim anymore, plain and simple! I don't think it's a matter of "careing", it's a matter of $$$$! Let's face it. I can't remember an employer I ever worked for that cared for his workers more than his bottom line. If you know of one, give me his number please!

09-18-11, 02:23 PM	#14
Solidsnake2234 Seaman Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New York Posts: 34 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	You've never seen everyone not wanting a game to come out? Go check the Brothers in Arm's fanbase. No one want's BiA- Furrious Four, to come out besides CoD fans XD

09-18-11, 02:54 PM	#15
Hans Uberman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	When I can play more than just a Type VII sub, I'll express a greater interest in SH5. It seems like a fine title, with a lot of promise, but the previous two games offer much more variety at the moment. I would buy an expansion pack in a heartbeat if it included more subs. Still, when I feel like a little Type VII action, it's nice to have SH5 at the ready.