The Creation vs Evolution debate thread...

[Nicolas]

This have being said, but i thinked on myself before hearing from others, and my point is this:
I believe in God and creation.
Humans took a lot of time to invent simple things, now, how those birds that Darwin studied could change theyre body to eat especific food, if no one design the new form? the nature doesn't have intelligence or conciousnes. Only a person with certain amount of intelligence (God in this case) can observe a thing, think how it can be changed, and implement a change.
Another thing, is how perfect is all in this world, it couldn't be done itself, is like trhow a lot of paint barrels, and magically you have a good painting, or put a monkey writing in your keyboard and having a poem as a result, the probability this world is a casuality is null.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Nicolas

This have being said, but i thinked on myself before hearing from others, and my point is this:
I believe in God and creation.
Humans took a lot of time to invent simple things, now, how those birds that Darwin studied could change theyre body to eat especific food, if no one design the new form? the nature doesn't have intelligence or conciousnes. Only a person with certain amount of intelligence (God in this case) can observe a thing, think how it can be changed, and implement a change.
Another thing, is how perfect is all in this world, it couldn't be done itself, is like trhow a lot of paint barrels, and magically you have a good painting, or put a monkey writing in your keyboard and having a poem as a result, the probability this world is a casuality is null.

That's not how evolution works, though.

Evolution isn't about nature "deciding" anything. It's about what could be considered genetic abnormalities becoming a favorable trait and therefore being passed along to a new generation.

In other words, let's say you were born with a genetic mutatation causing a third arm. It would not be a very attractive quality for a mate - unless something in the environment caused that 3rd arm to be a favorable mutation, thereby making potential mates seek that quality. That mutation would be more likely to be passed along, thusly asserting its dominance in the gene pool.

It has everything to do with random chance and nothing to do with intelligent design.

[Nicolas]

I do not believe in random chance, i dont think serious evolutionist think on that, because if you studied books of science on how the animals evolved they evolved to good, not to have deformations or things like that, if all is random there is no way the body of animal could get better only by chance.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Nicolas

I do not believe in random chance, i dont think serious evolutionist think on that, because if you studied books of science on how the animals evolved they evolved to good, not to have deformations or things like that, if all is random there is no way the body of animal could get better only by chance.

It is not only by chance. Mutations are random, natural selection is not. In the long run beneficial traits are selected for by environmental and predatory attrition.

Just because you do not know what evolution is is not does not make it any less true.

I do not believe in random chance

Throw a dice.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Throw a dice.

Excellent!

[Platapus]

I can recommend doing some research on "The Heike crab" as an example of human caused "evolution".

If man can influence such a change in a few hundred years, it is not unreasonable to expect nature to influence other similar changes over millions of years.

[Nicolas]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Throw a dice.

i was talking about the topic...
This world, and animlas, plants, couldnt exist the way it is by random chance. C'mon, you write so smart. If someone disarm a tv and throw it in a box, add or substract millions of components shake it for 1000 billion years, when it will get functional again? thats my point.

if you give more than a dime to what the bible says, Romans 1:18 talk about:

From heaven God shows how angry he is with all the wicked and evil things that sinful people do to crush the truth. 19They know everything that can be known about God, because God has shown it all to them. 20God's eternal power and character cannot be seen. But from the beginning of creation, God has shown what these are like by all he has made. That's why those people don't have any excuse. 21They know about God, but they don't honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. 22They claim to be wise, but they are fools. 23They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles.
24So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies. 25They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God's creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen.

[Nicolas]

About natural selection, who select a better way to evolve? if there is some sort of thing that do natural design, that thing is wiser and smarter than ourselves.

An animal has a mutation, that mutation, results to be useful, the 'natural selection', the will to live or i dont know decides that this thing must be part of the genoma, so the next generation will have it, but no... to make a nice change to evolve, it will need a lot of small error or random chances, who decides that 1000 little random chances to put them together and finish with a 'evolution'.

I'm using logic, instead of participate in the disscussion, i could talk about God himself, but that preaching right, and is not welcome? or yes?.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Nicolas

i was talking about the topic...
This world, and animlas, plants, couldnt exist the way it is by random chance. C'mon, you write so smart. If someone disarm a tv and throw it in a box, add or substract millions of components shake it for 1000 billion years, when it will get functional again? thats my point.

I wondered when someone would pull out the classic watchmaker straw man argument. Here are 2 videos to counter.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7104216231786#

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Nicolas

i was talking about the topic...
This world, and animlas, plants, couldnt exist the way it is by random chance. C'mon, you write so smart. If someone disarm a tv and throw it in a box, add or substract millions of components shake it for 1000 billion years, when it will get functional again? thats my point.

Evolution is not random. Mutations are, natural selection is not. Your argument is silly and wrong on very many levels.

Here is a long and detailed article, with sources for claims cited, with scientific evidence for evolution. Read it and learn. If you do not know what the theory of evolution is and what it proposes there is really no point in discussing it any further with you.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

[Nicolas]

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