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[JU_88]

Originally Posted by JScones

Does this mean you've seen the error of your ways jimbuna, lol? Or are your comments just "touchy feely" until the first SH5 supermod is announced? Seriously, you must appreciate my scepticism at what does at face value seem a tad hypocritical.

Having said that, I agree that SH5 will certainly prosper if there is community involvement and sharing. You know, the sum of the parts and so on. SH3 started this way, but degenerated into a bloody mess quite quickly.

SH5 will not prosper as well as it could if little groups go away and congregate silently in the corner refusing to share findings or techniques. It then becomes more "about the mod" and less "about the game".

There will be fights, of course - it's basic human instinct within communities of any size (online or not), for at some point alpha males will bubble to the surface and just two alpha males <> harmony. But it's up to the egos of those involved to determine whether SH5 will be the best it can be, or whether it will be the best they can make it. Unfortunately the two don't quite line up and inevitably the community as a whole suffers through the egos of a few. However, I do feel that some competition is healthy and facilitates improvements that are not possible with complacency...if only the community sees it for that and not as personal attacks (I remember a "new kid on the block" in SH3 that caused much angst for the "old guard". ).

Certainly I have no interest in repeating the cr@p that occurred in SH3 (where I was a willing participant I hasten to add), so for me it will be interesting how it all pans out...

I suggest that you look that the way your post started - then look at the way it ended.
You start by bashing/ smirking at Jim over the GWX days, then say you have no intreast in repeating the crap that occured in Sh3 back in the day.

That in itself seems a tad hypocritical if you ask me.....

Like you AND Jim I agree a more peaceful / co-operative SHV community would be great....
Now if only we can let go of the past.. it might actually be possible.

Originally Posted by JU_88

Like you AND Jim I agree a more peaceful / co-operative SHV community would be great....
Now if only we can let go of the past.. it might actually be possible.

we can remember the past without having to keep the bad feelings about it and if we cant let go of the bad feelings, then we can at least leave those in the past and base our actions and words on whats going on in the here and now so hopefully we can avoid repeating the same things that caused issues before.

many recent members here have no clue what went on in the sh3 forums but it wasnt a good thing and many people left the forums over it if for no other reason then just not wanting to be near all the drama.

i would like to think we are all in a better frame of mind going forward and hope we no longer feel the need to get too wrapped up in anything.

to any new members who are wondering what we are talking about i will just say it was a long time of much drama and frustration for all involved (and there were many who got involved in it) but in the end we found a way and moved on.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Im totally changing my modding behavior for SH5.

I'll be as helpful as I can, give all info about it, both in thread and anexed txt file, ask permission to use other people's files (something I have to say I never did), and mainly, being more kind to the whole community.

Reading some past comments of mine, I found myself quite rude on some occasions.

Nowdays I don't see reasons to do so, since this is a cooperative community.

The best way to get there is together. Nobody knows everything, nobody have all the skills.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by JScones

Does this mean you've seen the error of your ways jimbuna, lol? Or are your comments just "touchy feely" until the first SH5 supermod is announced? Seriously, you must appreciate my scepticism at what does at face value seem a tad hypocritical.

Having said that, I agree that SH5 will certainly prosper if there is community involvement and sharing. You know, the sum of the parts and so on. SH3 started this way, but degenerated into a bloody mess quite quickly.

SH5 will not prosper as well as it could if little groups go away and congregate silently in the corner refusing to share findings or techniques. It then becomes more "about the mod" and less "about the game".

There will be fights, of course - it's basic human instinct within communities of any size (online or not), for at some point alpha males will bubble to the surface and just two alpha males <> harmony. But it's up to the egos of those involved to determine whether SH5 will be the best it can be, or whether it will be the best they can make it. Unfortunately the two don't quite line up and inevitably the community as a whole suffers through the egos of a few. However, I do feel that some competition is healthy and facilitates improvements that are not possible with complacency...if only the community sees it for that and not as personal attacks (I remember a "new kid on the block" in SH3 that caused much angst for the "old guard". ).

Certainly I have no interest in repeating the cr@p that occurred in SH3 (where I was a willing participant I hasten to add), so for me it will be interesting how it all pans out...

I stand by the contents of my post Jaesen and whilst applauding your no-nonsense/straightforward writing style I must admit to feeling a small pang of disappointment that you should doubt me.

I did, after all, post willingly and without provocation.

The case for hypocracy will only be proven or otherwise after the release of SH5.

I see you've copied the post for posterity

Tell me.....do you fancy a small wager?

The timescale post release?

An amount and a mutually acceptable charity?

We all can and should learn from the past because none of us is as clever as all of us.....the community deserve nothing better.

If we ever meet at a future SS event (and I sincerely hope we do) I hope your not as tight as TJ because the beers will have to be on you.....I'm a pensioner now you see

Regards
Jim

Originally Posted by JU_88

I suggest that you look that the way your post started - then look at the way it ended.
You start by bashing/ smirking at Jim over the GWX days, then say you have no intreast in repeating the crap that occured in Sh3 back in the day.

That in itself seems a tad hypocritical if you ask me.....

Like you AND Jim I agree a more peaceful / co-operative SHV community would be great....
Now if only we can let go of the past.. it might actually be possible.

Couldn't agree more....onward and upward

I'm new here so I have no clue what went on with Silent Hunter III and the mod community, although having browsed the forums quite a bit over the last few months, I've already seen some 'sniping' goin on, granted it's been very subtle. But even I've noticed it.


I hope to get involved with the modding, research, graphics, etc. in the next game, and wish for things to proceed smoothly. I want to help make the game all it can be.


As a new guy I know for sure, if modders were to break off into 'territories' etc., and start the "mine's better" stuff, I wouldn't stick around.

I'm too old for that silliness. It's just a computer game.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Sevrin

I'm new here so I have no clue what went on with Silent Hunter III and the mod community, although having browsed the forums quite a bit over the last few months, I've already seen some 'sniping' goin on, granted it's been very subtle. But even I've noticed it.


I hope to get involved with the modding, research, graphics, etc. in the next game, and wish for things to proceed smoothly. I want to help make the game all it can be.


As a new guy I know for sure, if modders were to break off into 'territories' etc., and start the "mine's better" stuff, I wouldn't stick around.

I'm too old for that silliness. It's just a computer game.

Well said, and looking foward to seeing some of your work when the time comes...

@Jim
Tarjak is tight fisted? Oh noes! Does that mean when i meet him for drinks next week in london, he will 'forget his wallet in the hotel?'
Ill make sure we go some place with a happy hour on!

[AVGWarhawk]

SHV will not need to be modded. It will come straight out of the box with all content added and historically correct.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by JU_88

@Jim
Tarjak is tight fisted? Oh noes! Does that mean when i meet him for drinks next week in london, he will 'forget his wallet in the hotel?'
Ill make sure we go some place with a happy hour on!

I seem to remember having bought a round or so in Houston. No fear JU I'll definately buy you at least one pint mate.

Mind you with the pound going the way of the peso right now maybe I'll have to spring for a few more.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Well said, and looking foward to seeing some of your work when the time comes...

@Jim
Tarjak is tight fisted? Oh noes! Does that mean when i meet him for drinks next week in london, he will 'forget his wallet in the hotel?'
Ill make sure we go some place with a happy hour on!

LOL....let us just say he has deep pockets and short arms

[JScones]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I stand by the contents of my post Jaesen and whilst applauding your no-nonsense/straightforward writing style I must admit to feeling a small pang of disappointment that you should doubt me.

One thing that my colleagues have always appreciated is my straight to the point candor.

Anyway, I've always lived by the old saying "actions speak louder than words". I apply it to everyone and have found it to be a good moral compass. I make no apologies to anyone for subscribing to this value.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I see you've copied the post for posterity

Actually, I hadn't even thought about doing that; I would consider such an action quite vindictive and certainly not in the spirit of "moving forward". I edited my post, but that's about it.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

We all can and should learn from the past because none of us is as clever as all of us.....the community deserve nothing better.

Indeed. For example I am hoping that SH5Cmdr (if needed) is not a "JScones-only" affair. I intend taking a somewhat different developmental approach this time, hoping that other developers get involved. I'd love a joint effort that best utilises the unique skills that each of us has to offer.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

If we ever meet at a future SS event (and I sincerely hope we do) I hope your not as tight as TJ because the beers will have to be on you.....I'm a pensioner now you see

As long as:
1) the beer is served at 4 degrees celcius or cooler
2) it's not brewed or kegged in Britain (one exception being Newcastle Brown Ale, but point 1 applies...wait, maybe Brains as well because I'm a Welsh boy at heart)

it would be great if you guys could work out old differences you had in the past and form new understandings and start over fresh but please move the discussion of old issues to PM's and not do it in open forum.


the peanut gallery (meaning everyone not involved) doesnt need to get involved in it nor should they be allowed to

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

it would be great if you guys could work out old differences you had in the past and form new understandings and start over fresh but please move the discussion of old issues to PM's and not do it in open forum.


the peanut gallery (meaning everyone not involved) doesnt need to get involved in it nor should they be allowed to

Wow...I didnt realise my post would bring up all this discussion.

As an outsider (who has been in and out of this community for YEARS now)..all I can say is I have enjoyed the work of MANY of you!! SH3 commander (couldnt live with out), GWX kept me playing SH3 long after SH4 collected dust. And many other mods by guys I dont even know the names of (Beery and I had our share of historical discussions with RuB).

Bottom line you ALL are talented...and I for one am VERY grateful for the hard work and love of sub simming you have shown.

S! guys..... I feel privalaged to be able to take adavange of such great talent!