"No map update" option - enable or disable and why?

[Pisces]

It depends on how strictly you take your role as captain/kaleun. In real life they did have a seperate person to do this navigation/plotting stuf. But imho, if this was automated then the game went boring for me real soon. Or there wasn't any freedom in the way it was done. I absolutely love SH3 for allowing a complete set of drawing tools on the map. (ok, still miss the ability to rename marks ) Sh2 got close, but wasn't really practical in use iirc.

Updates on is too accurate, and almost god-like situational awareness. No updates means all the work is for you to be done. I take the latter and try to find ways to minimise the amount of work I need to do. Match their speed as best as possible so you can take long intervals between plotting and you don't get too close too quickly. And don't plot each and every unit in a convoy, just the ones on the nearest corner.

[Sailor Steve]

The person drawing on the map can only draw what you tell him to. With Map Updates on he magically draws every ship in sight, including the ones hidden behind other ships; he magically draws them all at once without any delay, and he magically knows the exact distance to each ship without ever seeing them.

With Map Updates off he refuses to draw anything, including sonar lines.

Try the Assisted Plotting Mod. It removes all contacts from the map, but if you lock onto a target and identify it (or have the Weapons Officer do it for you) it will then appear on the Attack Map. On the Nav Map there is nothing, but if you move the cursor around you will see dashed circles, and if you click on one it will say "Unknown". If it is IDed on the Attack Map it will then show up on the Nav Map when you click on the circle.



The above picture was made with GWX, so there are maybe twenty ships in the harbor. The only one showing is the one I IDed.

So far it's the most realistic compromise. It also cancels the renown loss for having Map Updates on.



[Edit] My FileFront site is gone, and so is BtS Mods. I'll have it up for download here in a day or two.

[jaxa]

OK Sailor Steve, but what about ocasional informations about ships or convoys on nav map, somewhere at sea? Does Assisted plotting mod cancel them or not? Sometimes I receive info about contact from radio and sometimes I see only icon on nav map about ship at sea.

[irish1958]

Originally Posted by jaxa

OK Sailor Steve, but what about ocasional informations about ships or convoys on nav map, somewhere at sea? Does Assisted plotting mod cancel them or not? Sometimes I receive info about contact from radio and sometimes I see only icon on nav map about ship at sea.

Jaxa,
Subs spent most of their time on the surface and in radio contact with BDU, so knowing about contacts elsewhere in the Atlantic was "common knowledge" and knowing about convoys was also.
The real problem with SH3 is the instant knowledge of location, course, bearing, etc of contacts. Leaving map update off is realistic, but once the ship is viewed and ID, its location is known almost to the meter.
The common tactic employed, at least early in the war, was to follow the ship throughout the day and attack (on the surface) at night.
So I think the assisted plotting mod is a good solution and probably mimics real life as close as we can get.

[sharkbit]

The above picture was made with GWX, so there are maybe twenty ships in the harbor. The only one showing is the one I IDed.

Question:
If you id'd more than one ship, would the other ships show up on your map or would only one at a time show up?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by jaxa

OK Sailor Steve, but what about ocasional informations about ships or convoys on nav map, somewhere at sea? Does Assisted plotting mod cancel them or not? Sometimes I receive info about contact from radio and sometimes I see only icon on nav map about ship at sea.

Assisted Plotting only affects the visual and sonar contacts. Radio contacts are unchanged.

Here's the link:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1328

[jaxa]

Thanks for info, SS.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Assisted Plotting only affects the visual and sonar contacts. Radio contacts are unchanged.

There is another mod that I use, which I downloaded a few months ago called "Realistic Contacts." It disables the short range and long range radio contacts from showing up on the nav map. You only receive the typed radio contact message with grid, direction and speed for the long range contact, and I believe that the short range contact just takes you out of time compression so you know something is near but you have no map location, direction or speed.

For me, this plays very realistic, especially when no map update is also selected.

[irish1958]

Originally Posted by von Zelda

There is another mod that I use, which I downloaded a few months ago called "Realistic Contacts." It disables the short range and long range radio contacts from showing up on the nav map. You only receive the typed radio contact message with grid, direction and speed for the long range contact, and I believe that the short range contact just takes you out of time compression so you know something is near but you have no map location, direction or speed.

For me, this plays very realistic, especially when no map update is also selected.

And the link is: ?

Originally Posted by irish1958

And the link is: ?

Try this link:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...alist+contacts

Mod was created by Mikhayl on or about 11/16/08

Sorry, the filefront link within to download is no longer active.

[Fubar2Niner]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The above picture was made with GWX, so there are maybe twenty ships in the harbor. The only one showing is the one I IDed.

So far it's the most realistic compromise. It also cancels the renown loss for having Map Updates on.



[Edit] My FileFront site is gone, and so is BtS Mods. I'll have it up for download here in a day or two.

@Steve any idea what the renown loss is for Map Updates turned on ?

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

[jaxa]

I'm testing Assisted plotting mod now. Very good idea, but there is one irritating problem with this mod - starting mission in port I hear "Schift gesichted" all the time and can't use time acceleration, because my crew inform me about the same ships many times, not signed on nav map (Assisted plotting mod idea). Sailing through the port and Kiel Kanal is very slowly now. Is it possible to fix it or should I be more patient?

[irish1958]

Jexa,
Try leaving the officer off the bridge and see what happens. If not helpful, try; http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154745

[jaxa]

WO outside bridge doesn't fix the problem.
I've tried "No ship spotted" mod, but it probably (as it's described in readme) may affect sensors. Using this mod I can quickly set time acceleration up to 32x, when next message drop it to 1x - without this mod I can do it only up to 16x (if I'm fast). It's curious for me, but I have no idea how to resolve this problem - want to try Assisted plotting mod at open sea. Have to live with it.

[skookum]

Non Sequiter,

I recently reinstalled GWX3/OLC Gold after a HD crash. I'm trying to get a 360 degree bearing plotter to work but it won't appear around my sub. In fact my sub icon is missing all together. I seem to remember the fix for this was in map.cfg but it's been so long since I did it that I can't remember the procedure.

any help?