Simulations a dying breed... No says Paradox Interactive

08-26-09, 11:35 AM

Simulations are ussually made not for kids. Shooters, arcade, racing games are toys for kids deffinetly. But they won't be kids forever and I think with the age, the taste for games also changes, that is when it's a time for starting to know the simulations.

Task Force · 08-26-09, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Contact

Simulations are ussually made not for kids. Shooters, arcade, racing games are toys for kids deffinetly. But they won't be kids forever and I think with the age, the taste for games also changes, that is when it's a time for starting to know the simulations.

I dont know about that... I see alot of people who arnt kids playing a stupid bunch of mindless fps games... EX those COD games...

bookworm_020 · 08-26-09, 09:08 PM

If they make a decent game, people will buy it. It doesn't matter what it's background is, if appeals to the masses, and is marketed well, it should succeed.

Arclight · 08-27-09, 02:30 AM

They're not exactly dying. We've been blessed with the DCS series, which should continue to expand for years to come, and HoI3 and Rise of Flight aren't doing too bad at the moment: http://kotaku.com/5345628/pc-sales-c...s-are-in-order

08-27-09, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

I dont know about that... I see alot of people who arnt kids playing a stupid bunch of mindless fps games... EX those COD games...

I also like to splash around with COD at multiplayer just for venting from time to time. But quickly it gets boring and I'm back to SH3

danlisa · 08-27-09, 05:27 AM

Like many others here I won't say that the Sim market is dead, yet.

Regardless of our beliefs on the subject, developers are in the business to make a profit and PC exclusive Simulations are not turning out the figures to sustain the market indefinitely. TBH with you, the main reason for this is the longevity of these Sim titles and in part the moddability of each Sim, while initially boosting sales, does nothing but hurt the following title in a series.

We all live in a disposable society and games are becoming more and more disposable along with it. As such developers and production studios have realised where the money is and are moving over in their droves. For example; the SH series has sold 1.5 million copies in it's lifetime but a single console game will sell that in 1 weekend (if not a single day).

Which brings me nicely onto the subject of consoles.

For the mature Sim gamers, you lot don't half moan about consoles killing off PC games and yet by your own admissions the consoles don't cater for your genre of game. So what's the problem?

Personally, as I lack the available free time to devote to PC games at the moment, my console sees most of my time and why not, I can switch it on and be in game within 40secs, do anything I currently do on my PC, I don't have to worry about whether my hardware can run the game and I don't have constantly moan about DRM.
As for being a mindless console gamer who enjoys the l33t games like CoD4

(not really but it's a good example) I feel the stereotype being plastered around Subsim to be a little offensive and borne of a small mind, but what should I suspect from a PC based forum, oh that's right exactly what I would read from a console based forum. Tit for tat! I don't bracket myself into a PC or Console only choice, why should you be so bigoted to do the same.

Now, moving on. If you are all so keen for the Sim genre to last and have a bright future you should be asking the developers to consider console variations of their titles. Both the PS3 and XBox are capable of running Sims when properly coded and the PS3 does support KEYBOARD & MOUSE input (know what you are talking about please). The large production studios have realised that to make serious money (which in turn boosts the genre) the consoles must be considered when developing games, the Sim market should adapt if they want to survive and be profitable.

Skybird · 08-27-09, 07:08 AM

The wrote and repoprted about the Games convention in cologne, showing a trend towards "femalised" games like the sim People series, and "qactive sports" gaqmes like for the Wii. These are seen as the trendsetters. while brutal games and shooters still are present, they said they are loosing in market shares and are not as dominant anymore as they once have been. Social gaming with fun- and sports-games they claim to be the current thing.

While I see some hints for this being true, I wonder if it really is a valid and objective opbservation - or just PC-wishful thinking. Hard to say. but the trend that more and more girls and women take on games that match their taste cannot be overlooked indeed - it is real. also the trend that gaming in general becomes acceptable for higher age groups and wider social groups in general. and this is especially due to - consoles, like it or not.

stabiz · 08-27-09, 07:15 AM

Racing sims are not doing all bad at the moment, the new massive (and costly) racing training tool iRacing, and soon we will see rFactor 2. (Joy, joy, joy, joy)

Task Force · 08-27-09, 09:20 AM

Is it just me or in the long run consoles are more expensive in the long run... with a pc all I have to do is just add a bit every once in a while...

Letum · 08-27-09, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

...PC exclusive Simulations are not turning out the figures to sustain the market indefinitely.

Is that speculation or do you have some facts to back it up?

stabiz · 08-27-09, 01:34 PM

I thought all simulations were pc exclusive. Cant think of one on console, and dont say Gran Turismo.

pozine · 08-27-09, 02:47 PM

grand turismo 5?

The sims series
Forza Motorsport
Guitar Hero Series
Ghost Recon
NHL Series
FiFA Series
Other Sports game...

No Sims on Xbox?

08-26-09, 09:08 PM	#3
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If they make a decent game, people will buy it. It doesn't matter what it's background is, if appeals to the masses, and is marketed well, it should succeed. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

08-27-09, 02:30 AM	#4
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	They're not exactly dying. We've been blessed with the DCS series, which should continue to expand for years to come, and HoI3 and Rise of Flight aren't doing too bad at the moment: http://kotaku.com/5345628/pc-sales-c...s-are-in-order __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

08-27-09, 05:27 AM	#6
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	Like many others here I won't say that the Sim market is dead, yet. Regardless of our beliefs on the subject, developers are in the business to make a profit and PC exclusive Simulations are not turning out the figures to sustain the market indefinitely. TBH with you, the main reason for this is the longevity of these Sim titles and in part the moddability of each Sim, while initially boosting sales, does nothing but hurt the following title in a series. We all live in a disposable society and games are becoming more and more disposable along with it. As such developers and production studios have realised where the money is and are moving over in their droves. For example; the SH series has sold 1.5 million copies in it's lifetime but a single console game will sell that in 1 weekend (if not a single day). Which brings me nicely onto the subject of consoles. For the mature Sim gamers, you lot don't half moan about consoles killing off PC games and yet by your own admissions the consoles don't cater for your genre of game. So what's the problem? Personally, as I lack the available free time to devote to PC games at the moment, my console sees most of my time and why not, I can switch it on and be in game within 40secs, do anything I currently do on my PC, I don't have to worry about whether my hardware can run the game and I don't have constantly moan about DRM. As for being a mindless console gamer who enjoys the l33t games like CoD4 (not really but it's a good example) I feel the stereotype being plastered around Subsim to be a little offensive and borne of a small mind, but what should I suspect from a PC based forum, oh that's right exactly what I would read from a console based forum. Tit for tat! I don't bracket myself into a PC or Console only choice, why should you be so bigoted to do the same. Now, moving on. If you are all so keen for the Sim genre to last and have a bright future you should be asking the developers to consider console variations of their titles. Both the PS3 and XBox are capable of running Sims when properly coded and the PS3 does support KEYBOARD & MOUSE input (know what you are talking about please). The large production studios have realised that to make serious money (which in turn boosts the genre) the consoles must be considered when developing games, the Sim market should adapt if they want to survive and be profitable. __________________

08-27-09, 07:08 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,694 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The wrote and repoprted about the Games convention in cologne, showing a trend towards "femalised" games like the sim People series, and "qactive sports" gaqmes like for the Wii. These are seen as the trendsetters. while brutal games and shooters still are present, they said they are loosing in market shares and are not as dominant anymore as they once have been. Social gaming with fun- and sports-games they claim to be the current thing. While I see some hints for this being true, I wonder if it really is a valid and objective opbservation - or just PC-wishful thinking. Hard to say. but the trend that more and more girls and women take on games that match their taste cannot be overlooked indeed - it is real. also the trend that gaming in general becomes acceptable for higher age groups and wider social groups in general. and this is especially due to - consoles, like it or not. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-27-09, 07:15 AM	#8
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Racing sims are not doing all bad at the moment, the new massive (and costly) racing training tool iRacing, and soon we will see rFactor 2. (Joy, joy, joy, joy) __________________

08-26-09, 11:35 AM	#1
Contact Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Simulations are ussually made not for kids. Shooters, arcade, racing games are toys for kids deffinetly. But they won't be kids forever and I think with the age, the taste for games also changes, that is when it's a time for starting to know the simulations.

08-27-09, 09:20 AM	#9
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Is it just me or in the long run consoles are more expensive in the long run... with a pc all I have to do is just add a bit every once in a while... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-27-09, 01:34 PM	#11
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I thought all simulations were pc exclusive. Cant think of one on console, and dont say Gran Turismo. __________________

08-27-09, 02:47 PM	#12
pozine Gunner Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 97 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	grand turismo 5? The sims series Forza Motorsport Guitar Hero Series Ghost Recon NHL Series FiFA Series Other Sports game... No Sims on Xbox? __________________ HELP!! HELP!!

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