Saudis Would Allow Israel to Attack Iran

[Raptor1]

What's a j bomb?

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

What's a j bomb?

One of those electronic guided bombs ... The Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM)

[Raptor1]

Ah!

If a JDAM, or indeed any other conventional weapon, hits a nuclear facility, said facility may or may not be destroyed depending on the way it's constructed. Any material already stockpiled might similarly be destroyed or scattered (Which could be a pain to clean up, but not anything that has been done before).

If you want to know whether anything earth-shaking will happen beyond the normal explosions, the answer is no.

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Ah!

If a JDAM, or indeed any other conventional weapon, hits a nuclear facility, said facility may or may not be destroyed depending on the way it's constructed. Any material already stockpiled might similarly be destroyed or scattered (Which could be a pain to clean up, but not anything that has been done before).

If you want to know whether anything earth-shaking will happen beyond the normal explosions, the answer is no.

If Iran has plutonium stockpiled it will burn when exposed to O2, but no second order reation/detonation can be expected. Thats the physics.

[Steel_Tomb]

Short of occupying Iran, there is no way to stop them from gaining nuclear arms if they so wish. We can destroy facilities but the knowledge remains, and they can rebuild their program again and again. Another point is that if the Iranians value a nuclear weapons program I think they would have it spread around the country, so there could be the main facility but there's nothing to say they haven't got other compounds hidden underground throughout Iran.

That's the sad truth of the matter, Israel and the US or any other nation for that fact can bomb parts of Iran to their hearts content... but we can't stop them forever. As much as I hate the Iranian regime, there's nothing we can do to stop them... a ground invasion would just radicalise the population and make Achjaminidad's (sp?) position stronger.

[quote=Steel_Tomb;1129841]Short of occupying Iran, there is no way to stop them from gaining nuclear arms if they so wish. We can destroy facilities but the knowledge remains, and they can rebuild their program again and again.[quote]

Well then you keep setting them back if that is what it takes. This country and its mullahs have but one goal...to take away your freedom.

How often have they suspended the internet? That is freedom, and you would allow that based on your statement.

Perhaps you think that if we just talk it will make it all better. These are committed people. They care not about what you say. One thing matters to them, force.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Well then you keep setting them back if that is what it takes. This country and its mullahs have but one goal...to take away your freedom.

How often have they suspended the internet? That is freedom, and you would allow that based on your statement.

Perhaps you think that if we just talk it will make it all better. These are committed people. They care not about what you say. One thing matters to them, force.

Hahahaha, you really think the Iranian mullahs want to take away OUR freedom? They want their own people's freedom for sure, but they really don't give a cr*p about how people live outside their borders.

[Steel_Tomb]

I know they don't want freedom and all that. What I'm getting at is that the general view of "lets bomb Iran" to stop their nuke program is flawed. Any air strike just delays the inevitable, whilst pitting public opinion in the M.E against the West in favour of the dictatorships over there. We may delay them for years and years, but the continued use of force won't work. They only respond to force, but im quietly hoping that in time the violent forces will be overcome by the minority. We saw a demonstration of that in the wake of the elections, Iran is ruled by a brutal and flawed regime yes... but history shows that such regimes do ultimately meet their end. Wether this happens before a catastrophy I don't know... I'm interested in the military and the defense of my country, but I dislike the prospect of war and killing for political points unless its absolutely nesseccary. If Iran shows itself to be an immediate and clear danger to either regional (i.e an attack on Israel) or global (as in a covert strike against the US and/or EU either by conventional or by WMD) then of course I will not hold back any military strike, I just think is should be the last course of action when all other roads have been blocked.

Going a bit O/T here, and this is my personal belief... The human race is a young species compared to the universe and the planet we live on, in fact when you look at our basic instincts and habits we are primitive and violent. Perhaps we will never shake off our animal instincts... but I hope one day that we can destroy our weapons and become a race instead of a scattering of global "tribes" (which is essentially what we are). Constantly using brute force to "solve" issues when we think they aren't going our way is a flawed conception and primitive to say the least... its the equivalent of a child not getting that mars bar its been spying for the last hour and throwing its toys out of the cot. We hold the power to completely destroy ourselves and the planet we live on, yet we don't have the patience or understanding to solve problems that are staring us in the face every day. We as a species need to evolve into something better, and running back to our most basic primal behavior which is to attack something we don't quite like is not helping us, that goes for all parties involved around the world... not just the West etc.

... I'll shut up now, sorry if that last bit is a rant and not very well written, but its just how I feel sometimes.