"We are being visited."

[Task Force]

But the moon landing was fake.:rotfl:

[U-104]

i have believed in aliens from the day i saw subsim.com.

[Stealth Hunter]

It's an inevitability that there's life somewhere out there. The Drake Equation confirms it, but more importantly, we must remember that in a universe of billions of known galaxies, each with trillions of stars, common sense dictates that we are not alone. Hell, we've barely even tapped into the knowledge our own solar system holds. More than likely, one of Saturn's moons or Jupiter's moons holds life of some sort (all it takes is one little bacteria to be discovered to confirm it).

We should turn our attention to moons like Ganymede, Titan, Europa, and Io before we start thinking about life in our galaxy... and life beyond our galaxy.

Perhaps Lovecraft summed it up best when he wrote (in "The Call of Cthulhu"):

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

[FIREWALL]

Now that you all mention it I, haven't heard a UFO being reported in a long time.

Even by a crackpot.


I guess the Visitors have done all the " Probeing " they need.

For now anyways.

Maybe they never heard of San Francisco. Ya think ?

[Torplexed]

If they existed and routinely visited, you would think in this age where everyone has a camera in their pocket in the form of a cell phone you would actually get an increase in UFO photos. Doesn't seem to be happening.

[HunterICX]

''Goddamn it, they didn't do anything to my ass! It was just a dream!''

HunterICX

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Now that you all mention it I, haven't heard a UFO being reported in a long time.

Even by a crackpot.


I guess the Visitors have done all the " Probeing " they need.

For now anyways.

Maybe they never heard of San Francisco. Ya think ?

They use star gates to visit now....much quicker

[stabiz]

I have been instructed by the mother ship to strongly urge you humans to walk away from this discussion.

[August]

Originally Posted by stabiz

I have been instructed by the mother ship to strongly urge you humans to walk away from this discussion.

OMG! Only the freaking Tau Ceti's call it a "mothership" I must report your presence to my handlers in the Centauri Secret Service. This will mean interstellar war!

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

It's an inevitability that there's life somewhere out there. The Drake Equation confirms it, ...........

How can the Drake equation confirm anything when parts of it are unknown (and possibly unknowable)? There may very well be other life in the universe, but the Drake equation does nothing to confirm or deny it.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

How can the Drake equation confirm anything when parts of it are unknown (and possibly unknowable)?

The point of it is to merely establish the likelihood of extraterrestrial civilizations within our own galaxy which we may come into contact with. It's really not hard to make conjectures on the subject, when all you need do is model it off our own planet.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

There may very well be other life in the universe,

There definitely is. Just use common sense to reach that conclusion.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

but the Drake equation does nothing to confirm or deny it.

Again, though, this is where you use common sense. Do you really think that all this:



. . .has no life in it whatsoever? There are 10,000 galaxies in that photograph alone, and it doesn't even cover a fraction of the visible sky.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

The point of it is to merely establish the likelihood of extraterrestrial civilizations within our own galaxy which we may come into contact with. It's really not hard to make conjectures on the subject, when all you need do is model it off our own planet.

The formula establishes nothing. One of its factors is totally impossible to calculate (the odds of a planet sustaining life) and several of the other factors are easily fudged to generate any possibilities that you care to.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

There definitely is. Just use common sense to reach that conclusion.

One mans common sense is another mans folly. Your common sense is folly. You have no way of knowing whether there is any other life in the universe or not. It seems that a "scientific" person, such as you claim to be, would demand proof (or at least evidence) of said life.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Again, though, this is where you use common sense. Do you really think that all this:



. . .has no life in it whatsoever? There are 10,000 galaxies in that photograph alone, and it doesn't even cover a fraction of the visible sky.

Again, this is where you use common sense. Do you really believe that all of that just came from nowhere? If I used that kind of "common sense" in a debate regarding the existence of God, I'd be laughed out of the room by the so called "scientific" types (I believe you fall into that category). Why should I accept that "logic" when you're attempting to argue your point?



Having said all that, I do believe that there is probably life out there, but I don't know it to be a fact and your formula doesn't prove it to anyone.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

The formula establishes nothing.

So statistical probability means nothing? There are a lot of scientists out there who would disagree with you on that...

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

One of its factors is totally impossible to calculate (the odds of a planet sustaining life)

Not really. I mean, we've already found several distant planets similar to Earth out there, and more importantly, we've found water on local moons here in our own solar system.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

and several of the other factors are easily fudged to generate any possibilities that you care to.

Such as?

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

You have no way of knowing whether there is any other life in the universe or not. It seems that a "scientific" person, such as you claim to be, would demand proof (or at least evidence) of said life.

Well if you want the best evidence, I need not look any further than the AH84001 meteor. The most dramatic piece of proof from it is the presence of microfossils of what is apparently nano-bacteria (it's positive for amino acids, just so you know) that looks like several types we have here on Earth, only much smaller. We know it's from Mars, so technically, you've got ET life.

Now you've got people who've created rebuttals on AH84001, but since 1984, we've compared two other meteors that have origins from Mars (Nakhla and Shegotty) that have seemingly confirmed the authenticity and validity of AH's meteor. There's a possibility that it's not what we think it is, but the overall evidence is pointing to it being perfectly valid and uncontaminated by mistaken information or accidental exposure to third party sources.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Again, this is where you use common sense. Do you really believe that all of that just came from nowhere?

Well there are plenty of people who believe this god character was just always there. If he's always existed, it's just as possible the universe has always existed, especially when you consider that we are actually part of the universe and can see it and know it exists, unlike a god.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

If I used that kind of "common sense" in a debate regarding the existence of God, I'd be laughed out of the room by the so called "scientific" types (I believe you fall into that category).

Well in the first place, we wouldn't even be debating this issue in a scientific classroom/forum since science doesn't bother comment with experiments and tests on the supernatural to begin with.

So really, you're not very scientific by believing in God...

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Why should I accept that "logic" when you're attempting to argue your point?

I don't care whether you do or don't.