Way to go Texas !

[Onkel Neal]

Warm up the muskets! Imagine, a state governor uttering the S-word

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[Enigma]

It actually might be interesting to see all the internet tough guy "not givin up my guns for nuthin!" (despite the fact that noone is talking about taking them) crowd go up against the 82nd airborne and a couple of tank divisions. We should put it on pay per view.

[August]

Originally Posted by Enigma

It actually might be interesting to see all the internet tough guy "not givin up my guns for nuthin!" (despite the fact that noone is talking about taking them) crowd go up against the 82nd airborne and a couple of tank divisions. We should put it on pay per view.

Having served in both Airborne and Armored units, and still knowing a lot of people in both branches, i'd say it'd be very unlikely that the US military would oppose a popular uprising.

But that's ok, keep wishing for a civil war. You might just get one.

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by Enigma

It actually might be interesting to see all the internet tough guy "not givin up my guns for nuthin!" (despite the fact that noone is talking about taking them) crowd go up against the 82nd airborne and a couple of tank divisions. We should put it on pay per view.

Considering that alot of those "guys" as you call them are probably ex or current military. All of the military veterans I know are pro gun! Marines in my experiance being the most gun loving. So getting the army to squash the very ideals of the Constitution they are supposed to support isnt gonna happen. Also if you try to use the military to disarm the citizen you might find revolts in the military itself!



And its "No more taxes" not Texas! lol

[CaptainHaplo]

Zacstar - States Rights a "new" idea?

I'm sorry - but the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution was ratified December 15th, 1791. That would make the idea about.. oh... 217 years old, plus a few months. Somehow that doesn't seem all that "new" to me. Instead, it seems the states, and the people in them, have had enough of it to actually read a little bit of how our system of government is supposed to work and figured out they have some rights that they choose to utilize.

If 217 years old is a "new" idea - then I guess the idea that the Constitution is a "living" document open to interpretation using foreign laws is barely born. I don't know about you - but I think I would rather listen to the wisdom of a 217 year "NEW" idea than the ramblings of a freshly born judicial activist idea that doesnt even hold water under the light of common sense.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Enigma

It actually might be interesting to see all the internet tough guy "not givin up my guns for nuthin!" (despite the fact that noone is talking about taking them) crowd go up against the 82nd airborne and a couple of tank divisions. We should put it on pay per view.

Why pay per view? You can watch U.S. combat units get blown up by militias on CNN or the internet for free.
And those are poorly-trained incompetents they are fighting.

As August mentioned, a lot of current military members and retirees wouldn't even fight U.S. citizens. Assuming that this hypothetical conflict was over the kinds of issues we are talking about here, a lot of U.S. troops and veterans would be fighting for the right-wingers. Almost half of the entire U.S. Marine Corps is from Texas, which is a pretty conservative state.

They are a lot more dangerous than today's run-of-the-mill insurgents for two reasons.
1) Morale. They have more of it and the people fighting them will have less of it, for a lot of reasons. Mostly because it is extremely demoralizing to have to fight your own countrymen. The people putting down the insurrection do not have a cause. A lot of them would probably be conscripts.
2) Training and skill. Besides the fact that a lot of "right-wing extremists" are familiar with the proper use, care, and employment of firearms, the fact that they might have trained combat veterans amongst them makes them very dangerous.
A well-trained fireteam can render a modern battletank combat ineffective in a few seconds using small arms, 2 molotov cocktails(or 1 and a smoke grenade), a rock(of all things), and a sledgehammer. That's an extreme example, but one person can destroy a main battle tank with a steel cylinder, a piece of lead, a few ounces of plastic explosive, a car battery, and a few yards of wire.
An entire platoon can be destroyed using shell primers, a couple boxes of nails, duct tape, and a model rocket engine igniter.
And all that is before we get into the really interesting possibilites.

I really, really, hope it does not ever come to a civil war but if it does, you might want to think twice about the faith you seem to have in the state military.

[Enigma]

But that's ok, keep wishing for a civil war. You might just get one.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing. Wipe the bi-focals off, would ya?

[Enigma]

"foreign and domestic".

Look it up.

[August]

Originally Posted by Enigma

"foreign and domestic".

Look it up.

"A more coherent argument"

Find one.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by August

"A more coherent argument"

Find one.

[Enigma]

Coherent arguments only exist in your mind so long as you agree with them, August. You should take your own advice.

"Advice"

Try it.

You can put a rolling on the floor laughy guy under than one too, Aramike. It's equally as funny I suppose...

Go team hand holders!

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

It actually might be interesting to see all the internet tough guy "not givin up my guns for nuthin!" (despite the fact that noone is talking about taking them) crowd go up against the 82nd airborne and a couple of tank divisions. We should put it on pay per view.

I don't think the 82nd Airborne would be supportive in any way with the very people who consider them potential "extremists" and "risks". Military people probably aren't too surprised by the DHS report from the administration recently. The people you vote for are not exactly military friendly. Haven't been since before LBJ. I remember the pay freezes and the other crap. The Pay Per View you dream about wouldn't exactly turn out like you would like it to. Trust me.

And while I appreciate the subtle sarcasm below:

Originally Posted by Enigma

Hey! You don't love America! Your not a patriot! Get out! Go to France, commie! You're either with us or against us!

No offense intended Enigma, but these comments have absolutely no impact coming from a Liberal Democrat voter. The last 8 years of your side bashing the American military while at war, comparing our soldiers and Marines to nazi's and war criminals, all the while making it hard to successfully complete major military objectives, makes your comments above a joke.

In these times, people are protesting the lousy change that you voted for. It is a protest against turning the real America into something it's not. Even the Blue Dog Democrats don't like what's going on, and are taking action. The people out there are the ones who actually make the country work and are the ones who do love America. As you also see them protesting Republicans against their big government efforts as well. And they are definitely not with your people, they are against them. Count on it. But as such, we'll see who is actually shown the door in the end.....

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Warm up the muskets! Imagine, a state governor uttering the S-word

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Seditionist.

[Platapus]

When I was watching the tea parties on the news, I suddenly saw what the purpose was and I can say I am totally onboard.

It became clear to me when I heard the crowd chanting

No to Texas! No to Texas!

[Onkel Neal]

No to Texas leaving, you mean