Labor Bill Faces Threat in Senate

[August]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Thats the thing depending on whom you are eployed by you may have no choice.

This is a free country, you always have a choice.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by August

This is a free country, you always have a choice.

When it comes to unionizing, no you don't if this thing passed. Your freedom is being swindled away.

-S

[August]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

When it comes to unionizing, no you don't if this thing passed. Your freedom is being swindled away.

-S

Bull.

1. You ALWAYS have the freedom to seek another job if working in a union shop is so repulsive to you. Even in the unlikely event there was one, no pre-existing contract or non compete agreement would remain valid. Everything would have to be renegotiated.

2. A majority of the workers have to agree to unionize before it happens. You know, the same way elections are run?

3. You would have the opportunity to convince your fellow workers that the negatives of unionizing outweigh the benefits.

[SUBMAN1]

Again - BS! You obvioulsy haven't worked for a career since you would not be so happy if it were pulled out from under you. Its like the guys in the machine shop all vote in, yet you work on systems in another part of the company and you have to too because the shop guys did?

Sorry man. You are supposed to live in a free country. What you speak of is not freedom and I am surprised to hear it from you.

Yes you could walk down the street, but the way this is set up, it will Unionize the whole damn country! You only need look at the United Autoworkers to know how F'd up that would be.

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes you could walk down the street, but the way this is set up, it will Unionize the whole damn country! You only need look at the United Autoworkers to know how F'd up that would be.

It will not unionize the whole country. There are plenty of companies that take care of their employees and the employees are happy. They do not have to pay the barn boss monthly to 'look out' for them. I work as a contractor in an agency that is a contractor to larger corporation that only hires on contractors. I'm just one of many companies like this.

[August]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Again - BS! You obvioulsy haven't worked for a career since you would not be so happy if it were pulled out from under you.

Well sorry to burst your bubble Subman, but I have been in my career field for 33 years now so obviously you have absolutely no clue what is obvious or not.

Sorry man. You are supposed to live in a free country. What you speak of is not freedom and I am surprised to hear it from you.

Yes you could walk down the street, but the way this is set up, it will Unionize the whole damn country! You only need look at the United Autoworkers to know how F'd up that would be.

You're making wild assumptions with no evidence to back it up. A majority has to sign on to unionize and imo that's the way it should be. Telling the majority of your fellow workers that they can't organize just because you personally don't like the idea is the very opposite of freedom.

[NeonSamurai]

Hmm actually its the opposite of democracy, not freedom per say. Freedom and democracy are two different things.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Hmm actually its the opposite of democracy, not freedom per say.

It's 'per se'. Latin. Means 'in and of itself', or 'intrinsically'.

[Zachstar]

Its just union hate from the usual sources.

Seriously its like some make this to mean the end of the world. The only company who even has a point thinking like that is Wal Mart.

Wal Mart has defeated UFCW time and again because of the difficult process to unionize. When it finally does happen they make a lame excuse and leave the city. So people hate the union afterwards.

As for freedom being taken away. That is BS. 50 percent or more have to agree before the shop is unionized. Don't like it? Leave and don't make a scene doing it because nobody likes a party pooper.

Good jobs will never be unionized. People dont want to just pay the union dues if they already have a great job.

However, Jobs like that are falling quickly. With rising population there has been a rising amount of incidents of employee abuse. This law will end that to an extent by the FEAR of unions. The fear of unionizing will get management to treat employees better companies to adopt better conditions that while a short term loss will be a long term gain when they dont have to negotiate union contracts.

What I am seeing here is two sides on the "No free choice act!" side.

#1 It will give the commies more power! This continued wrong statement from those who cant get over the cold war is just flat out crap and not worth even discussing. If you think unions are communism you need to get an education.

#2 It will ruin the economy! During the growth of unions the middle class saw a huge REAL increase (Unlike the bubble based growth after the Union killing years of Regan and Bush Sr.) in numbers. The nation had more spending money and people actually had time to spend it. The only economy Unions harm is China's as places like Wal Mart which take cheap buy prices as an excuse for huge markups and bad employee policy (Tho I personally will admit the employees there are treated better then some Union Shops that slip under the radar)

There is no #3 as there is no arguement to be made when you base it on the lie that Unions get uber spying powers or some other BS.

If one wants to be anti-union so be it but dont base it on BS.

[August]

Well every bit of experience i've had with unions tells me that the "cure" will be worse than the disease. Unions pretty much kill companies, especially small ones.