Just curious

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

at what point in time will WE as United States Citizens stand up and say "enough is enough"?

i mean at some point that has to happen right?

so what is the line in the sand for you?

Congress has like a 2% approval rating, almost everything we want them to do they dont... and almost everything we tell them NOT to do they DO.

The big US Government is getting to be a real fiasco.

little is being done to protect your freedoms and rights any more, your citizenship is almost without value, as illegal immigrants are almost untouched by the law.

the list goes on and on

so like i said... where is the line in the sand for you?

I did my part, voted and lost. I am not happy with our current crop of politians (both parties).

On a side note, I just started reading "Battle Cry of Freedom." The issues our country had back in the 1840s~50's sound very similar to today.

[AVGWarhawk]

The line is supposed to get drawn during elections. Apparently,we some forgot what to draw.

[Oberon]

I've been pondering that in the UK for some time.

The gains made by the BNP in recent years is quite a concern too.

[Digital_Trucker]

They've already crossed the line in the sand as far as I am concerned. But being just one person, there's not a lot I can do until there are enough of us to push them back across the line (which, according to Al Gore, will be underwater due to global warming by the time we start pushing them).

That reminds me of an excellent joke:

What do you call a thousand politicians at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start

[Fr8monkey]

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

[August]

Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

What exactly did Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with sub-prime lending?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by August

What exactly did Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with sub-prime lending?

precisely.

someone needs to watch ...

...Part one ( )

... and two ( )

of the "crisis of credit" video, really shows you how all this stuff got started without someone going out on a politically motivated witch hunt.

seriously, i recommend these videos.

this is the problem we have with this nation

Whenever Person A recommends action or a change of direction... Person B jumps on the "Well its all Person A's fault we're in this mess to begin with" band wagon

and those discussions always go nowhere.

My opinion...

if you lend irresponsibly - and subsequently go broke because of it - it is NOT the governments place borrow all my money so they can save you.

if you run your business irresponsibly - and subsequently you have to risk going bankrupt - it is NOT the governments place to borrow all my money so they can save you.

If your home gets forclosed on because you purchased a vast over priced mantion even though your a minimum wage worker - it is NOT the governments place to take my money and give it to you so you can continue to live a life of financial reckless abandon.

see the pattern here?

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

Oh, and you DO understand that wartime spending HELPS the economy, right?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

I dont care who started it or how.

Just want to know what we the people are going to do about it.

A. point fingers and blindly follow the same old tired "us vs. them" BS (Fr8)

or

B. Discuss - without pointing fingers and pissing and moaning about who's fault it is.

obviously im asking WAY too much here.

this is an easy exercise... dont blindly follow whoever "your guy" is... and look at ways to fix this as common people.

everyone has their theories

but i dont want to hear is

"Well whaaaa whaaaa.... its all Herbert Hoover's fault.... and global warming!!! and .... and ... and venture capitalists?! ... If (insert party affiliation here) was running things the whole time this would have never happened to begin with... america would be utopia!!! whaaaaaaa"