A Euro question to the german and the dutch

[Schroeder]

Well, yes things have become more expensive (especially restaurants have pumped up their prices...) but that is not directly the fault of the Euro but a matter of greed. If you can hide higher prices in a new currency in which most people are not familiar yet (I mean in 2002 when it was introduced) thean you do it... at least that was the strategy of a lot of companies. And since the numbers on the price tags have become smaller (2DM=1€) you can hide price raisings better. No problem to pay 4 Cents more for a litre of petrol from one day to the other, but raising it by 8 Pfennig would have been unthinkable although it is the same amount of money.

Yes prices certainly have doubled in Holland.
A simple example would be the price of bread.
Prior to the euro era we paid 2 guilders for a normal 600 gram loaf of brown wheat.

Now the same loaf costs around 2 euro's with a conversion rate of 2,20 guilders for a euro.

Same goes for cigarettes, used to be 4 guilders, now it's up th almost 5 euro's and those went up 12% in the last year only.

All prices have doubled now , the only thing that hasn't doubled are the paychecks from the company's we work for, that's still half of what we used to get in guilders

[AntEater]

Re statistics:
"Never trust a statistic you haven't faked yourself"
:rotfl:

I think it is fair to say most prices have doubled since the Euro was introduced.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by AntEater

I think it is fair to say most prices have doubled since the Euro was introduced.

I dont think so AntEater, we now do, more or less, the same things we did with our money ( take in mind 7 years of inflation and rising prices on international markets) before we changed to the euro.
You don't?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by f14driver

Yes prices certainly have doubled in Holland.
A simple example would be the price of bread.
Prior to the euro era we paid 2 guilders for a normal 600 gram loaf of brown wheat.

Now the same loaf costs around 2 euro's with a conversion rate of 2,20 guilders for a euro.

Same goes for cigarettes, used to be 4 guilders, now it's up th almost 5 euro's and those went up 12% in the last year only.

All prices have doubled now , the only thing that hasn't doubled are the paychecks from the company's we work for, that's still half of what we used to get in guilders

Thats not because of the euro, but because of greed.
And you still can buy a bread for 1.40 euro in the super.

Sigaretttes gone up because of taxes and are still to cheap.

I'm glad we have the euro.

Originally Posted by Fish

Thats not because of the euro, but because of greed.
And you still can buy a bread for 1.40 euro in the super.

Sigaretttes gone up because of taxes and are still to cheap.

I'm glad we have the euro.

I agree. Ppl tend to forget natural developments in a currency lifespan. Devalutation is the norm and especially the Eurozone saw a comparably high deflation over the last couple years. Comparing the currency worth of both the Deutsche Mark and the Euro one can't see any drastic differences in their development.

What we lacked, at least in Germany, were the regular pay raises compensating for this rather natural development. The last ten years were dominated by tightening the belt to get the german economy back to international competition levels and make more investments possible. Shortly before the financial crisis german workers and employees were about to catch up to deflation rates, demanding higher payment. The economic crisis pretty much stopped that dead in its tracks, however.

[Skybird]

I must object to that, Bewolf. I am aware of the effects of inflation, energy and food speculations and such more. But if after 2-3 years you spend for the same habits and conuming behavior the same money in humbers, but not in DM but in Euro, then definately more than just inflation has something to do with it. and developement of wages, or lack of it, must be seen separarte anyway. If it were like oyu said, then in the early years after the euro arrival, 50 euros should have gotten me as far as 100 DM. But today, several years later, I easily spend instead of those 100 DM - 100 euros. for items of everday life, keep that in mind - I do not calculate with oil, car petrol, and restaurant visits.

[mapuc]

First I will say thousand thanks for your reply.

I have postet a link to this thread so, my fellow debaters on this danish forum can come and read your answers for them self.


Regards
Markus