National socialism

Bilge_Rat · 11-16-20, 01:55 PM

This is a fairly silly thread. The Nazis were not "socialists", they were "anti-socialists" as anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of German history would know.

The name "socialist worker's party" pre-dates Hitler joining the party. Hitler joined because the party wanted to avenge the humiliation of the Versailles treaty. He had no interest in left wing policies, he kept them when he became leader because it would be useful to gain power and to placate the left-wing of the party under ernst Rohm who controlled the SA.

Once Hitler gained power in 1933, Rohm actually wanted to implement "socialist" policies, namely nationalising big businesses, breaking up large landed estates and turning the German Army into a revolutionary force controlled by the SA. Big Business and the Army was aghast, but Hitler had no intention of following Rohm, instead Rohm was killed in 1934 and the entire left-wing was killed, jailed or thrown out of the Party.

After that, the Nazis became a very pro-business, anti-labour party, labor unions and strikes were outlawed, and worker protections were curtailed. Nazi economic policies were very pro-business and big businesses were garanteed huge profits by the Nazis re-armament policies.

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On the second point, again many historians have looked at this and there is no contest, in terms of men, women and children executed, liquidated, massacred or who died as a result of direct policies which were reasonably certain to cause their deaths, the Germans in twelve years between 1933-45 murdered around 3 or 4 times as many as the Russians managed to kill in thirty six years between 1917 and 1953 under Lenin and Stalin.

deaths under Hitler: around 12 million
deaths under Lenin and Stalin: between 3-4 million

11-16-20, 01:55 PM	#9
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	This is a fairly silly thread. The Nazis were not "socialists", they were "anti-socialists" as anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of German history would know. The name "socialist worker's party" pre-dates Hitler joining the party. Hitler joined because the party wanted to avenge the humiliation of the Versailles treaty. He had no interest in left wing policies, he kept them when he became leader because it would be useful to gain power and to placate the left-wing of the party under ernst Rohm who controlled the SA. Once Hitler gained power in 1933, Rohm actually wanted to implement "socialist" policies, namely nationalising big businesses, breaking up large landed estates and turning the German Army into a revolutionary force controlled by the SA. Big Business and the Army was aghast, but Hitler had no intention of following Rohm, instead Rohm was killed in 1934 and the entire left-wing was killed, jailed or thrown out of the Party. After that, the Nazis became a very pro-business, anti-labour party, labor unions and strikes were outlawed, and worker protections were curtailed. Nazi economic policies were very pro-business and big businesses were garanteed huge profits by the Nazis re-armament policies. ----- On the second point, again many historians have looked at this and there is no contest, in terms of men, women and children executed, liquidated, massacred or who died as a result of direct policies which were reasonably certain to cause their deaths, the Germans in twelve years between 1933-45 murdered around 3 or 4 times as many as the Russians managed to kill in thirty six years between 1917 and 1953 under Lenin and Stalin. deaths under Hitler: around 12 million deaths under Lenin and Stalin: between 3-4 million __________________