Introduction to Hoppe's main work

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MH

It is getting worse and worse.
I think you must be kidding.

No. It's just thinking against the mainstream follies that have ruined us and even already ruined our future. The fiscal, economical, sociological and juristic indices he gives in hard empirical data in his books prove his model right - since the 17th century, to the present, the development of these indices roughly is in congruence with his model. He gives explanations for what that is so on the basis of reasonable thought and logic. Those wanting to show him wrong, need to prove wrong both the empirical data and the logic.

He also has predicted the turmoil we are in since 2007/2008 correctly - in the mid or late 90s already.

Just to say "democracy is great" and "Hoppe is nuts" is a lousy way to counter him, only adds to the pessimistic outlook one must have for our near future.

He is slaughtering one of your most favourite golden cow. And worse, he then scratches off the paint and shows that it never was made of gold anyway, but was a cheap fake made of wood that you have payed high ticket prices for to party in its shadow. I do not know which of the two acts you guys feel more anger over, but both together is definitely more than you can bear.

But the reserves democracies have eaten up over the past 90 years or so, are not only gone - one has also already consumed resources meant to support the future. We are heading for a total and complete not only fiscal and economic breakdown, but for a total and complete civilizational system breakdown. And I fear that after that breakdown it will not only become not better, but will become even worse, and will stay that for a longer period of time. We are left with no reserves on which something new could be tried.

Most people still live in complete denial of reality when it comes to state debts, and social desintegration of our culture. That that denial is to be expanded so that realizing how the tyranny of the mob leads to a basic-socialist and communist wealth redistribution order and a loss of freedoms and a growth in centralized totalitarian control, is not really surprising. The only thing one may feel surprised by is that even those who usually are the first to defend America's fundament from its founding era, refuse to see the strong links, because realizing them would need to also realize how much the present America has distance itself from its founding reasons and ideas and how distanced from the claimed ideal the current status quo in fact is.

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. - Benjamin Franklin

I do not follow Hoppe blindly and just parrot him. Much of what he says, I have come to in conclusions myself already in the past years. The socialist nature of democracy. The massive redistribution scheme that secures temporary power for the elected elites. The underhanded nature of general elections, the corruption in ruling elites, and how abuse of common interest allows those in power to bribe people to vote for them. The primitive nature of the mob given the right to vote. The ruinous nature of our fiscal and economic system, the danger of our paper money scheme. The need to go back to small regions with administrative autonomy. the superiority of a feudal system once the scale of a community is beyond a certain size limit. If you think back and remember past threads from the past years, you have heard all these single things form me in the past, but always outside a combining context, I never was able to bring it all together in one cohesive model - and I also had to fold over any questions on by what alternative it all could be replaced, imo. I had to owe a coercive answer. My answer was: basic democracy in minimum-size local communities, feudal structures on supra-communal levels. Hoppe'S thoughts of private-law-society and city-states, is more convincing and logical, and he also has finally led me to how to bring all my lose thoughts together. He is less a source of new info to me, but more a help in organizing it all in one cohesive, reasonable theoretic structure. That is the big benefit I take from his work.