Ahmadinejad's cameraman defects

[Alex]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

If you were paying attention you would notice I'm from New York. The NYS Court of Appeals ruled the death penalty unconstitutional (in regards to the state constitution) in People v. LaValle. Except for a few years under Pataki NYS has been without a death penalty since Furman v. Georgia, and hasn't executed a prisoner since '63. I can say I've never voted for anyone who said bring it back either.

I see. Please, can you let me know in your opinion if you think that anyone coming from about anywhere in the world considers yourself more as a member of the state of NY, than as a citizen of the united states of America ? For anyone who's got to live in your country, that may well be the case. But for everyone else, you're an American, period. Because the consideration as a nation is far superior to the one of the state. To be honest, and in order to give you a rough idea of the way you look saying this kind of thing in my opinion, it's just as if your whole family was living in the same street, and that you decided to break away from some of your family members due to the fact that some of them are responsible for acting a certain way going against your moral, while the family and its name (are supposed to) go far beyond the way individuals are appreciated in society. I don't want that to sound like a cheap metaphor, but this is indeed the impression conveyed by your morals and way of thinking.
Your nation is responsible for such behaviours too (I mean administration of the death penalty), and consequently that sullies the reputation of your whole population since that makes you (as a nation) responsible in some way for what is done where your flag flies. No matter where it is done exactly : it is your nation, and citizen of the same country are supposed to support each other. The break away between citizen of the same nation has got no sense nor significance. I understand very well the fact that you may dislike what happens in some parts of your country, but still you just can't do anything else than taking in consideration what gets to be done in your nation too, because that is proper citizenship. So, switching back to what you just mentioned about executions in Iran, the advice would indeed be "put your own house in order before daring to criticize other people".
I must admit that I was somehow expecting such a reply from you. But I didn't want to admit in advance that you were going to reply my post that way.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sovereignty of a state does not give it total control of its citizens nor give it the right to strip their freedoms away. And you are right, I stand with anyone who supports the values of freedom because those who don't, well we have words for them.

And btw I do listen to what people who don't support my country's values say, especially their leaders, and if others did like I do they wouldn't sleep at night.

Regarding what I think about Iran, my stance on what you consider to be the iranian problem is not to let everyone know that you're wrong, and that I am right. The only things I wish everyone (including yourself) to remember when watching tv and checking news on the internet, are the fact that considering the policy of economical support through war your country has got since decades (you're familiar with your own History so you don't need me to remind you about all the wars your country has got to be involved in just for the last 50 years, for example), and the fact that your government definitely having a bias towards one side of the belligerents should also be taken in consideration (you're supporting a country in the Middle-East, and this is not Iran, but its worst enemy), absolutely everyone is entitled to wonder about the soundness of the intentions of the authorities in force in your country nowadays who want you to read and watch news related to a country towards which you absolutely are neutral in no way.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Occurred on or about July 26, 2008. 30 People were executed including several for crimes of be drunk in public, what we could call disturbing the peace or endangering public safety, and having an adulterous relationship.


Occurred on or about July 23, 2007. The three executed (two males, one female) were convicted of adultery.



Occurred on August 15, 2004. The executed was convicted of being raped by a 50 year old taxi driver (she was only 16 BTW). Her name was Atefah.

Posting these pictures one more time doesn't hurt.
I feel the anger. And the next war to come. Haha.


Now, regarding the informations related to the executions of which you've got to post a few pictures. Don't tell me you've got blind faith in that stuff mentioned by people who want you to get nervous over data of which you just can't check out the validity by yourself in a reliable way, with reference to many medias from many countries, making you able to get a neutral overview of this problem. For the sake of your honour, can you let me know how can you consider your medias to bring you reliable data related to the iranian matter, while it's unofficially established that a superior authority (call it an oligarchic association of bankers considering the people as meat, and the life of the soldiers as intangible assets they can use at will and don't need to care about - and don't tell me you didn't come up to that way of thinking following what gets to be done at Wall Street !) is doing its best to get you all against another country once again, in order to send one more time thousands of soldiers from your Nation to the abattoir in a still undeterminate future, with the only intention to erase the public debt.

To be considered valid and reliable, the publication of these photos and comments should have been confirmed and authorised by all the powers at play, international journalists as well as iranian authorities. Apparently, we can consider these shots to have been taken furtively while everyone's back was turned (just like it's the case in one of the photos, in which we can see the back profile of 2 members of some iranian armed force) via a camera certainly not to be considered as the one of a regular journalist. So it is in fact quite obvious that these photos have been taken and quickly hosted on the internet by someone who didn't have good intentions towards the iranian regime, in order for some stupid patriot arseholes (wherever they're from) to end up feeling anger towards such an injustice in front of their screen, while it's established that any people in the world really has got no interest in doing so, and should rather constantly keep fighting for his own rights instead.

Something definitely makes me afraid. You all have got to mistrust your government, everyone of its decisions, as well as you've got to admit its responsibility in the constant state of war you're in, that didn't bring you much more than refrigerated aircraft bringing dead soldiers back to their homeland for their close ones to mourn their passing.
With all due respect to you TLAM, I hope the People from the united states of America has got an higher level of collective conscience than you seem to have as an individual. If it doesn't, you're all in for one more massive and unjustified spreading of your blood on foreign territory.

Of course, neither the country nor its judiciary system is supposed to be plenipotentiary. I'll never put that into question. But since everyone's got to take care about injustice at home first (the variety of communities you can find in your country causing many culture shocks supposed to call your attention to be resolved as fast as possible - while this is not the case in Iran, as the country didn't have to face any immigration, making things much smoother there on the social aspect as there's no clash of civilizations in Iran), can you let me know what/who brings you the legitimacy to show the will to resolve this kind of problems abroad before caring about the situation where you live ? If it's not one more possible war to be started over there that would end up reinvigorating your economy through the exploitation of natural ressources to be found on Iranian soil, I'd be interested in talking about what's got to make you American People so suitable to take offence at anything happening outside your country, as well as suitable to intervene militarily in the name of the human rights of other Peoples in the world.