German court bans circumcision

Skybird · 06-28-12, 06:17 AM

While I think that abortion in 12th week probbaly leads too far, I refuse to compare a fetus of 4 weeks with a born child of several years in age. The criterion to me is the excistence of a nervous system and sensory system whose signal inpout gets computed in an already existing brain that is sufficiently developed to form an indiviodual "print" of this input. Before this is the case, to me it is just a bunch of cells, no human being with any form of philosophical identity of its own. And for that, 12 weeks (the limit at which abortion in Germany under certain circumstances can remain free of penalties) is probably too much.

But anyhow, circumcision and abortion have nothing to do with each other. You could as well complain about attacking pedophile priests when not at the same time protesting against abotion, too.

Article 1, German Basic Law (=coinstituion of Germany) : "The dignity of man is untouchable.". Ther eis no exception mentioned for Islamic or Jewish people. There is no word on that the dignity of children may be violated in the name of religious ideology and branding to claim cultural possession of children. The dignity of children is untouchable. Parents and priests or whomever have no right to do physical damage to them. You are not allowed to beat them, to mistreat them, or to cut off their nosetips or earlobes.

In Judaism there is even an extremely orthodox sect that pushes the mutilation of genitals even further. There the hero carrying out the procedure has to nibble on the cutoff foreskin and on the bleeding gential of the kid. I beg you! How much more is needed toi illustrate how absurd and idiotic the whole thing of circumcision is?

Again, the Quran, to my knowledge, does not demand it, at least I cannot remember it.

The circumcision of females is even more inhumane and disastrous, and an extremely painful and dangerous procedure as well, traumatizing the victim in most cases for the rest of her life. Here again the underlaying motive is about patriarchalic claims of possessing and being in power over females. The same motivation it is with mutilating male children: to claim possession of them in the name of an ideology and its subordinate culture.

If we protest against female circumcision, and make it illegal, then there is no excuse to not do the same with the circumcision of boys.

Or we could also allow 5 year old girls which are physically absolutely normal brought by their parents to cosmetical surgery, becaue parents want a certain physicaol feature: a different nose, longer legs, a different skin colour...

Leave these things to free decision of the individual once it has grown up and is 18. I know I know - religions hate it to leave people in freedom, there is nothing they hate more than free people that think independently from them. That is one of the reasons why I am so bitterly hostile towards any religion.

06-28-12, 06:17 AM	#13
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,650 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	While I think that abortion in 12th week probbaly leads too far, I refuse to compare a fetus of 4 weeks with a born child of several years in age. The criterion to me is the excistence of a nervous system and sensory system whose signal inpout gets computed in an already existing brain that is sufficiently developed to form an indiviodual "print" of this input. Before this is the case, to me it is just a bunch of cells, no human being with any form of philosophical identity of its own. And for that, 12 weeks (the limit at which abortion in Germany under certain circumstances can remain free of penalties) is probably too much. But anyhow, circumcision and abortion have nothing to do with each other. You could as well complain about attacking pedophile priests when not at the same time protesting against abotion, too. Article 1, German Basic Law (=coinstituion of Germany) : "The dignity of man is untouchable.". Ther eis no exception mentioned for Islamic or Jewish people. There is no word on that the dignity of children may be violated in the name of religious ideology and branding to claim cultural possession of children. The dignity of children is untouchable. Parents and priests or whomever have no right to do physical damage to them. You are not allowed to beat them, to mistreat them, or to cut off their nosetips or earlobes. In Judaism there is even an extremely orthodox sect that pushes the mutilation of genitals even further. There the hero carrying out the procedure has to nibble on the cutoff foreskin and on the bleeding gential of the kid. I beg you! How much more is needed toi illustrate how absurd and idiotic the whole thing of circumcision is? Again, the Quran, to my knowledge, does not demand it, at least I cannot remember it. The circumcision of females is even more inhumane and disastrous, and an extremely painful and dangerous procedure as well, traumatizing the victim in most cases for the rest of her life. Here again the underlaying motive is about patriarchalic claims of possessing and being in power over females. The same motivation it is with mutilating male children: to claim possession of them in the name of an ideology and its subordinate culture. If we protest against female circumcision, and make it illegal, then there is no excuse to not do the same with the circumcision of boys. Or we could also allow 5 year old girls which are physically absolutely normal brought by their parents to cosmetical surgery, becaue parents want a certain physicaol feature: a different nose, longer legs, a different skin colour... Leave these things to free decision of the individual once it has grown up and is 18. I know I know - religions hate it to leave people in freedom, there is nothing they hate more than free people that think independently from them. That is one of the reasons why I am so bitterly hostile towards any religion. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.