Kriegsmarine vs IJN?

tater · 09-28-10, 10:00 AM

The germans did not have a real navy. Period. 3d rate, if that. I'd put the KM below Italy, frankly.

No navy means zero ability to project power in the PTO. No organix air support—and KM CVs are fantasy, if you consider that, then you have to grant the IJN all their "mighta been" ships as well, any of which would WTF Pwn the KM).

Also, and this is CRITICAL—doctrine. Give the KM magical CVs in 1945, and what exactly do they do with them? What is their operational doctrine? How experienced are they in CV ops? Not at all. Heck, the IJN didn't even really absorb the lesson they taught the world—mass use of CV airpower. Singleton CVs are targets to be destroyed piecemeal.

Also, look at their planned aircraft, LOL. Navalized Ju-87s and Bf-109s. Water cooled. The first engagement, regardless of the outcome of the KM strikes would decimate their pilots since ANY damage to their liquid-cooled aircraft would result in a swim with sharks (air-cooled naval aircraft FTW).

How about escorts? LOL. How many did DDs did the KM have? 20? The USCG had more.

It's not even close. Maybe you can give Germany the UFO planes in Il-2 1946 to help them

BTW, the Germans never had 1000 subs at once. They serially built them to replace sunk subs—and the vast majority of the 1000+ built WERE sunk. The most they had at one time—in response to war losses—is likely higher than they would have had otherwise.

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The germans did not have a real navy. Period. 3d rate, if that. I'd put the KM below Italy, frankly. No navy means zero ability to project power in the PTO. No organix air support—and KM CVs are fantasy, if you consider that, then you have to grant the IJN all their "mighta been" ships as well, any of which would WTF Pwn the KM). Also, and this is CRITICAL—doctrine. Give the KM magical CVs in 1945, and what exactly do they do with them? What is their operational doctrine? How experienced are they in CV ops? Not at all. Heck, the IJN didn't even really absorb the lesson they taught the world—mass use of CV airpower. Singleton CVs are targets to be destroyed piecemeal. Also, look at their planned aircraft, LOL. Navalized Ju-87s and Bf-109s. Water cooled. The first engagement, regardless of the outcome of the KM strikes would decimate their pilots since ANY damage to their liquid-cooled aircraft would result in a swim with sharks (air-cooled naval aircraft FTW). How about escorts? LOL. How many did DDs did the KM have? 20? The USCG had more. It's not even close. Maybe you can give Germany the UFO planes in Il-2 1946 to help them BTW, the Germans never had 1000 subs at once. They serially built them to replace sunk subs—and the vast majority of the 1000+ built WERE sunk. The most they had at one time—in response to war losses—is likely higher than they would have had otherwise.