One Judge vs 7 million votes

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

If wester society can not sustain itself, then it deserves to die out, simple as that. Gay marriage has nothing to do with that, all it actually has to do with is equality under the law. Refusing that is discrimination, it maybe practical, even necessary, but it is discrimination none the less.

It is not more or less discriminatory than I am discriminated for not giving the same tax releifs because I am single.

There is no discrimination in what I point at. There is only a privilege that I accept being given to families, due to their higher importance for the community. as a matter of fact, families make a difference for the community. Gay couples do not - not at all. so they are to be treated like all other non-hetero-married people. Gays deserve no special status and no special rights just because they are gays. They also deserve not to be discriminated. And what I say - is no discrimination. I also do not feel discriminated myself because I, as a single, am not given the tax reliefs and special aids that a family may be given. But I feel discriminated by gays getting the same status and benefits like families, while I do not. Since I accept and understand why I am not getting the same status like families, I demand the same things being denied to gays and lesbians too. Because in the outlined regards they contribute the same ammount to the community like I do - none at all.

Anyhow, my argument is clear and known now, and nobody of you two was able to counter it. I have the statistics of demography on my side, and I claim that I also have common sense on my side. I can also claimthat quite some gays see it also like I do, this I know becaseu I knew gays at university, and as I have said in earlier threads: they were pissed by things like CST which they themselves called a parade of idiotic freaks giving gays a bad name, and they were pissed about the the idea of gay marriages given the same status like families, too.

The whole debate is not about reason and necessity, it is about ideological dogmatism, and of course our old two friends, these two damn rotten things called "endlessly good intention" and "political correctness". Must I explain in detail were people can shove these two?

Let'S leave gays and lesbian peacefully to themselves, and do not give them any disadvantages but also: no advantages in social life and jobs because they are what they are. but do not do more damage to the institution of families, and accept that it deserves and needs our special protection and recognition of its vital rolet that makes it outstanding amongst all forms of human interrelations. It already is fighting for its existence, and this fight already has done vital damage to our societies. There is a reason why there are so many dysfunctional families, so many single mothers, and academical mums having none or just one child were at least 2.1 would be needed to maintain a society's healthy mixture of ages, and future population level.

Since this is not the first such debate and I do not want to endlessly talk in circles again, I leave it here.