Would Europe have survived

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Originally Posted by August

I think Imperial Germany would have prevailed in WW1 without US involvement. Their 1918 spring offensive was only stopped by US troops at Château-Thierry. And aside from that the Allied offensive later that year which ended up forcing the Germans to capitulate included over a million US troops and sailors. Would it succeed without them? I doubt it.

Germany could collapse even without US forces because of the naval blockade of Germany which was devastating to Germany and its economic.
Or both sides could be so exhausted by the war so they could have concluded a peace treaty (= no The Treaty of Versailles).
But Great war would be definitely longer without US forces.

Originally Posted by August

Without US involvement in WW2 on the other hand I think it's a tossup as to whether nazi Germany would have won. No US involvement means no fuel and supplies going to the British or the Russians. Do either stay afloat long enough for the US to be forced into it by Japan without it? The Brits maybe, they still had their navy and overseas possessions but the Russians probably not (IMO). The Germans would never have stalled before the gates of Moscow without US planes, tanks, fuel and ammo.

imho the conflict with Germany was unavoidable, because US supplied weapons to Europe and their escorts protected convoys. It was just matter of time.