Has anybody seen this........

Q3ark · 10-19-08, 12:31 PM

omg the Aussies are making spitfires in kit form

http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/About.htm

now all I need is a few hundred thousand £££'s, a pilots licence and a lot of free time

SUBMAN1 · 10-19-08, 12:39 PM

Not as fast as the original. Seems slow. 150 kt to 165 kt cruise speeds in the kit. Original was about 220 kt.

-S

SUBMAN1 · 10-19-08, 12:51 PM

Found the specs - top speed on this kit is about the cruise speed of the original:

http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/Specs.htm

-S

Schöneboom · 10-19-08, 12:53 PM

No wonder they're slower, the kits are using auto engines, not Rolls-Royce Merlins. Still, looks like loads of fun!

Q3ark · 10-19-08, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

And they're scaled down

Yeh it looks like they do two versions, one is at 80% scale and the other is at 90% scale

Task Force · 10-19-08, 01:10 PM

Il take one, even if it is slower than a real one.

SUBMAN1 · 10-19-08, 01:13 PM

I want a P-51D or better. That is my plane!

-S

Morts · 10-19-08, 01:25 PM

bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2

Tango589 · 10-19-08, 01:41 PM

For god's sake, I want one of these for christmas!

It would be one hell of an incentive to get my pilots license. All I need now is the cash...I wonder if I can sell any organs?:hmm:

UnderseaLcpl · 10-19-08, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Morts

bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2

Awesome aircraft. Piston-engine excellence.

Morts · 10-19-08, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

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Originally Posted by Morts

bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2

Awesome aircraft. Piston-engine excellence.

and the roar of the engine from the 109

*instert drooling smiley*

SUBMAN1 · 10-19-08, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

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Originally Posted by Morts

bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2

Awesome aircraft. Piston-engine excellence.

Barf! I disagree!

That thing has crappy visibility, doesn't like left turns (or was it right?) is slower, and not even pressurized! Even the soviet fighters of the war could keep up with that thing! I am not impressed at all!

P-51 would eat it for lunch and they did! The P-51 even has a 50 knot speed advantage!

-S

PS. Found a good article from the Soviet side of things against a captured G2 - http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/epg.p...0&page=bf109g2

Sailor Steve · 10-19-08, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

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Originally Posted by Morts

bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2

Awesome aircraft. Piston-engine excellence.

Barf! I disagree!

That thing has crappy visibility, doesn't like left turns (or was it right?) is slower, and not even pressurized! Even the soviet fighters of the war could keep up with that thing! I am not impressed at all!

P-51 would eat it for lunch and they did! The P-51 even has a 50 knot speed advantage!

-S

PS. Found a good article from the Soviet side of things against a captured G2 - http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/epg.p...0&page=bf109g2

That's what happens when you only know the propaganda.

The Mustang's main advantage was that there were so many of them built, and its reputation stems from the fact that it was the only single-engined fighter that could make it from England to Berlin and back. The P-51 was indeed faster at altitudes in the 20-30,000-foot range, which was where they needed it, but the '109 climbed and rolled much faster. And accelerated faster, which is tied into the climb rate. The Mustang's speed advantage was not "50 knots"...more like 25, which translates to around 30mph.

From the article you cite:

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The German designation was Bf 109G-2/R6.

The 'R6' suffix denotes the modified 'bomber-buster' with the underwing 20mm gun pods, which make an absolute pig of the aircraft, slowing down the roll and climb considereably, which takes away the plane's main advantages.

And the later models, from the G-4 on, were indeed pressurized.

And no, in a fair fight the P-51 would not "eat up" the Bf-109G - the two were just about equal, and the Bf-109K was just as fast, while retaining its other advantages.

SUBMAN1 · 10-19-08, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

...And no, in a fair fight the P-51 would not "eat up" the Bf-109G - the two were just about equal, and the Bf-109K was just as fast, while retaining its other advantages.

Now that's propaganda! We already know the Mustang can out turn and out fight it. In a flat bank for example, the K model couldn't hang with the Mustang as proven in the air battle over Y-29. The 109 had the speed advantage and the mustang just naked, about 3rd turn, the Mustang pulled on the tail of the 109 and sent him into the dirt. The Mustang was in its game against the 109 with the 109 severely out classed.

It's not an equal fight by any means. Y-29, though severely outnumbered 10 to 1, only lost a few aircraft even with all the German aces in that fight who many met their death there.

I stand by my case above.

-S

Morts · 10-19-08, 03:54 PM

subman, check out the ace list here
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/aces/aces.htm#wwii
even though americans had the super mighty 109 slaughtering (according to you) P-51, the american aces didnt score over 50 kills, where as the germans in their poor, poor (again according to you) 109/190 alot of times scored well over 50, and 100 for that sake

10-19-08, 12:31 PM	#1
Q3ark Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: York, England Posts: 346 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Has anybody seen this........ omg the Aussies are making spitfires in kit form http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/About.htm now all I need is a few hundred thousand £££'s, a pilots licence and a lot of free time __________________ Johnny was a chemist's son, But Johnny is no more. What Johnny thought was H20 was H2SO4.

10-19-08, 12:39 PM	#2
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not as fast as the original. Seems slow. 150 kt to 165 kt cruise speeds in the kit. Original was about 220 kt. -S __________________

10-19-08, 12:51 PM	#3
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Found the specs - top speed on this kit is about the cruise speed of the original: http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/Specs.htm -S __________________

10-19-08, 12:53 PM	#4
Schöneboom Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 651 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	No wonder they're slower, the kits are using auto engines, not Rolls-Royce Merlins. Still, looks like loads of fun! __________________ Dietrich Schöneboom, U-431 "Es wird klappen, Herr Kaleun. Ganz sicher."

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Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Il take one, even if it is slower than a real one. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I want a P-51D or better. That is my plane! -S __________________

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Morts Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,395 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	bah, the P-51 is overrated id rather have a Me 109G/2

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Tango589 Still crazy as ever! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: A little south of sanity Posts: 3,378 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 1	For god's sake, I want one of these for christmas! It would be one hell of an incentive to get my pilots license. All I need now is the cash...I wonder if I can sell any organs?:hmm: __________________ Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way...

10-19-08, 03:54 PM	#15
Morts Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,395 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	subman, check out the ace list here http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/aces/aces.htm#wwii even though americans had the super mighty 109 slaughtering (according to you) P-51, the american aces didnt score over 50 kills, where as the germans in their poor, poor (again according to you) 109/190 alot of times scored well over 50, and 100 for that sake