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Q3ark 10-19-08 12:31 PM

Has anybody seen this........
 
omg the Aussies are making spitfires in kit form :o http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/About.htm

now all I need is a few hundred thousand £££'s, a pilots licence and a lot of free time :|\\

SUBMAN1 10-19-08 12:39 PM

Not as fast as the original. Seems slow. 150 kt to 165 kt cruise speeds in the kit. Original was about 220 kt.

-S

SUBMAN1 10-19-08 12:51 PM

Found the specs - top speed on this kit is about the cruise speed of the original:

http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/Specs.htm

-S

Schöneboom 10-19-08 12:53 PM

No wonder they're slower, the kits are using auto engines, not Rolls-Royce Merlins. Still, looks like loads of fun!

Q3ark 10-19-08 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl
And they're scaled down :know:

Yeh it looks like they do two versions, one is at 80% scale and the other is at 90% scale

Task Force 10-19-08 01:10 PM

Il take one, even if it is slower than a real one.:huh: :D

SUBMAN1 10-19-08 01:13 PM

I want a P-51D or better. That is my plane!

-S

Morts 10-19-08 01:25 PM

bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2

Tango589 10-19-08 01:41 PM

For god's sake, I want one of these for christmas!:rock: It would be one hell of an incentive to get my pilots license. All I need now is the cash...I wonder if I can sell any organs?:hmm:

UnderseaLcpl 10-19-08 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morts
bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2


:yep: :yep: :yep:

Awesome aircraft. Piston-engine excellence.:up:

Morts 10-19-08 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl
Quote:

Originally Posted by Morts
bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2


:yep: :yep: :yep:

Awesome aircraft. Piston-engine excellence.:up:

and the roar of the engine from the 109:D
*instert drooling smiley*

SUBMAN1 10-19-08 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl
Quote:

Originally Posted by Morts
bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2

:yep: :yep: :yep:

Awesome aircraft. Piston-engine excellence.:up:

Barf! I disagree!

That thing has crappy visibility, doesn't like left turns (or was it right?) is slower, and not even pressurized! Even the soviet fighters of the war could keep up with that thing! I am not impressed at all!

P-51 would eat it for lunch and they did! The P-51 even has a 50 knot speed advantage!

-S

PS. Found a good article from the Soviet side of things against a captured G2 - http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/epg.p...0&page=bf109g2

Sailor Steve 10-19-08 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl
Quote:

Originally Posted by Morts
bah, the P-51 is overrated
id rather have a Me 109G/2

:yep: :yep: :yep:

Awesome aircraft. Piston-engine excellence.:up:

Barf! I disagree!

That thing has crappy visibility, doesn't like left turns (or was it right?) is slower, and not even pressurized! Even the soviet fighters of the war could keep up with that thing! I am not impressed at all!

P-51 would eat it for lunch and they did! The P-51 even has a 50 knot speed advantage!

-S

PS. Found a good article from the Soviet side of things against a captured G2 - http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/epg.p...0&page=bf109g2

That's what happens when you only know the propaganda.

The Mustang's main advantage was that there were so many of them built, and its reputation stems from the fact that it was the only single-engined fighter that could make it from England to Berlin and back. The P-51 was indeed faster at altitudes in the 20-30,000-foot range, which was where they needed it, but the '109 climbed and rolled much faster. And accelerated faster, which is tied into the climb rate. The Mustang's speed advantage was not "50 knots"...more like 25, which translates to around 30mph.

From the article you cite:
Quote:

The German designation was Bf 109G-2/R6.
The 'R6' suffix denotes the modified 'bomber-buster' with the underwing 20mm gun pods, which make an absolute pig of the aircraft, slowing down the roll and climb considereably, which takes away the plane's main advantages.

And the later models, from the G-4 on, were indeed pressurized.

And no, in a fair fight the P-51 would not "eat up" the Bf-109G - the two were just about equal, and the Bf-109K was just as fast, while retaining its other advantages.

SUBMAN1 10-19-08 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
...And no, in a fair fight the P-51 would not "eat up" the Bf-109G - the two were just about equal, and the Bf-109K was just as fast, while retaining its other advantages.

Now that's propaganda! We already know the Mustang can out turn and out fight it. In a flat bank for example, the K model couldn't hang with the Mustang as proven in the air battle over Y-29. The 109 had the speed advantage and the mustang just naked, about 3rd turn, the Mustang pulled on the tail of the 109 and sent him into the dirt. The Mustang was in its game against the 109 with the 109 severely out classed.

It's not an equal fight by any means. Y-29, though severely outnumbered 10 to 1, only lost a few aircraft even with all the German aces in that fight who many met their death there.

I stand by my case above.

-S

Morts 10-19-08 03:54 PM

subman, check out the ace list here
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/aces/aces.htm#wwii
even though americans had the super mighty 109 slaughtering (according to you) P-51, the american aces didnt score over 50 kills, where as the germans in their poor, poor (again according to you) 109/190 alot of times scored well over 50, and 100 for that sake


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