I sank a 'neutral' with a Union Jack?

Gezoes · 08-25-08, 08:04 AM

Hello there, my fellow captains. A strange thing happened last night. I'm a VIIC out of Brest and it's early January 1942. I was on my way back from AL25 when I met a large merchant and a Granville type freighter.

Sank the large merchant with two eels and the Granville with one... however, it showed up sank as neutral. It was a very dark night and I forgot to take a picture

But... I looked closely before it sank. Union Jack on a red flag. Now, no matter what else is on that flag... stars, couldn't make it out, emblem etc... Union Jack in 1942 = Commonwealth = the enemy. Right? Or am I about to feel very stupid :rotfl:

GoldenRivet · 08-25-08, 08:22 AM

when you say it showed neutral... was it a green sinking symbol???

Red Heat · 08-25-08, 08:26 AM

May be a Q-Ship? :hmm:

GoldenRivet · 08-25-08, 08:30 AM

but wouldnt a Q-ship show up as enemy? and dont you have to have the Q-ship mod installed for there to be Q-ships?

Red Heat · 08-25-08, 08:38 AM

Good question... :hmm:

Uncle Goose · 08-25-08, 10:06 AM

Strange things can happen, yesterday I was attacked by a JU88A!! with German markings.

Gezoes · 08-25-08, 02:41 PM

The sank icon was grey :hmm:

It was definitely sailing together with the large merchant :hmm:

meduza · 08-25-08, 02:49 PM

The grey icon doesn't represent neutrals, green does. I'm not sure what the grey icon means, it seams pretty random to me.

Gezoes · 08-25-08, 02:53 PM

Ah, stupid me. It was the weather ofcourse. Nobody 'sank' it. It was rather wavy and windy.

I guess me hitting it as well with an eel and the flag drove me right through remember-what-a-grey-icon-means???-station

:rotfl:

Still, didn't know what a Q-ship was and now I do

nirwana · 08-25-08, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meduza

The grey icon doesn't represent neutrals, green does. I'm not sure what the grey icon means, it seams pretty random to me.

grey symbols for sunken ships can have following reasons:

the final blow was done by the ai (subs/planes/hit the shoreline/run over wracks in swallow water, bumping against harbor installations)
it was drowned in heavy wheather
caused by saving and reloading the game shortly before or after the sinking but its still possible that it will be credited in the log inspite its grey

bigboywooly · 08-25-08, 03:30 PM

Can also be grey for

a - Ship sinking out of viewing range but in sensor range ( can be while deep evasion or moving out of area )
b - Sinking a ship not identified by visual

NO renown is given for weather\AI sinkings
You will get renown if you sink it no matter whether grey or not

Jimbuna · 08-25-08, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

but wouldnt a Q-ship show up as enemy? and dont you have to have the Q-ship mod installed for there to be Q-ships?

Yes and yes.

If it's a grey sunken ship icon, you weren't responsible for its demise....as you have already stated, it was probably the weather, but it could also be mines or air attack

@Gezoes

If your playing GWX2.1 you might want to give the Q Ship mod a go.

Tis always another way to end a promising career early.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...highlight=Ship

Subtype Zero · 08-25-08, 04:47 PM

The Granville type freighter is one of the ships that sinks too easily in bad weather. Try my sinking ship mod if you don't want the weather to steal your kills.

This mod slightly adjusts the mass/displacement ratio of nine ships, including the GTF, which tend to sink in poor weather.

Mod is GWX and JGSME friendly, and I have had no reports of it fouling up something else in SH3.

Gezoes · 08-25-08, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

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@Gezoes

If your playing GWX2.1 you might want to give the Q Ship mod a go.

Tis always another way to end a promising career early.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...highlight=Ship

Unknown to me before! Thanks Jim. And if you didn't know before, your sense of humor is greatly appreciated on this little Dutch end of the pond :rotfl:

What manual?

BasilY · 08-26-08, 02:09 AM

I once sunk a darken french ship in November, 1939 (that's before they surrender to Germany), and it is counted as a neutral, don't know why...

08-25-08, 08:04 AM	#1
Gezoes XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 435 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I sank a 'neutral' with a Union Jack? Hello there, my fellow captains. A strange thing happened last night. I'm a VIIC out of Brest and it's early January 1942. I was on my way back from AL25 when I met a large merchant and a Granville type freighter. Sank the large merchant with two eels and the Granville with one... however, it showed up sank as neutral. It was a very dark night and I forgot to take a picture But... I looked closely before it sank. Union Jack on a red flag. Now, no matter what else is on that flag... stars, couldn't make it out, emblem etc... Union Jack in 1942 = Commonwealth = the enemy. Right? Or am I about to feel very stupid :rotfl: __________________ If I wasn't a little mad, I'd go mad.

08-25-08, 08:22 AM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	when you say it showed neutral... was it a green sinking symbol??? __________________

08-25-08, 08:26 AM	#3
Red Heat Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,093 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	May be a Q-Ship? :hmm: __________________ "There is three kinds of man: the living, the death, and those who are at Sea." Plato

08-25-08, 08:30 AM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	but wouldnt a Q-ship show up as enemy? and dont you have to have the Q-ship mod installed for there to be Q-ships? __________________

08-25-08, 08:38 AM	#5
Red Heat Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,093 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	Good question... :hmm: __________________ "There is three kinds of man: the living, the death, and those who are at Sea." Plato

08-25-08, 10:06 AM	#6
Uncle Goose Torpedoman Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 113 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Strange things can happen, yesterday I was attacked by a JU88A!! with German markings.

08-25-08, 02:41 PM	#7
Gezoes XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 435 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	The sank icon was grey :hmm: It was definitely sailing together with the large merchant :hmm: __________________ If I wasn't a little mad, I'd go mad.

08-25-08, 02:49 PM	#8
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	The grey icon doesn't represent neutrals, green does. I'm not sure what the grey icon means, it seams pretty random to me.

08-25-08, 02:53 PM	#9
Gezoes XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 435 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Ah, stupid me. It was the weather ofcourse. Nobody 'sank' it. It was rather wavy and windy. I guess me hitting it as well with an eel and the flag drove me right through remember-what-a-grey-icon-means???-station :rotfl: Still, didn't know what a Q-ship was and now I do __________________ If I wasn't a little mad, I'd go mad.

08-25-08, 03:30 PM	#11
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Can also be grey for a - Ship sinking out of viewing range but in sensor range ( can be while deep evasion or moving out of area ) b - Sinking a ship not identified by visual NO renown is given for weather\AI sinkings You will get renown if you sink it no matter whether grey or not __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

08-25-08, 04:47 PM	#13
Subtype Zero Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 19,998 Leagues under the sea Posts: 262 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	The Granville type freighter is one of the ships that sinks too easily in bad weather. Try my sinking ship mod if you don't want the weather to steal your kills. This mod slightly adjusts the mass/displacement ratio of nine ships, including the GTF, which tend to sink in poor weather. Mod is GWX and JGSME friendly, and I have had no reports of it fouling up something else in SH3. __________________

08-26-08, 02:09 AM	#15
BasilY Weps Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 359 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I once sunk a darken french ship in November, 1939 (that's before they surrender to Germany), and it is counted as a neutral, don't know why...