EU Medal Tracker for the 2008 Olympics

[Happy Times]

A single EU team would obtain much less starting places than 27 separately fighting national teams but even then this would be a no contest.
I hope this doesnt become another fight tough.

http://www.medaltracker.eu/

No Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 European Union 71 78 78 227
2 China 46 15 22 83
3 United States 30 35 34 99
4 Russian Fed. 16 16 21 53
5 Australia 11 14 14 39
6 Korea 10 10 6 26
7 Japan 9 6 9 24
8 Ukraine 5 5 9 19
9 Jamaica 5 3 1 9
10 Canada 3 7 5 15
11 New Zealand 3 1 5 9
12 Georgia 3 0 3 6
13 Cuba 2 6 7 15
14 Kenya 2 4 2 8
15 Belarus 2 3 8 13
16 DPR Korea 2 1 3 6
17 Ethiopia 2 1 0 3
18 Switzerland 2 0 3 5
19 Kazakhstan 1 4 5 10
20 Brazil 1 3 6 10
21 Turkey 1 3 3 7
22 Norway 1 3 2 6
23 Zimbabwe 1 3 0 4
24 Azerbaijan 1 2 4 7
25 Uzbekistan 1 2 3 6
26 Indonesia 1 1 3 5
27 Thailand 1 1 0 2
28 Mongolia 1 1 0 2
29 Argentina 1 0 2 3
30 Mexico 1 0 1 2
31 India 1 0 1 2
32 Bahrain 1 0 0 1
33 Cameroon 1 0 0 1
34 Tunisia 1 0 0 1
35 Panama 1 0 0 1
36 Croatia 0 1 2 3
37 Kyrgyzstan 0 1 1 2
38 Serbia 0 1 1 2
39 Algeria 0 1 1 2
40 Colombia 0 1 1 2
41 Tajikistan 0 1 1 2
42 South Africa 0 1 0 1
43 Chile 0 1 0 1
44 Trinidad/Tobago 0 1 0 1
45 Dominican Rep. 0 1 0 1
46 Ecuador 0 1 0 1
47 Malaysia 0 1 0 1
48 Neth. Antilles 0 1 0 1
49 Singapore 0 1 0 1
50 Vietnam 0 1 0 1
51 Armenia 0 0 5 5
52 Chinese Taipei 0 0 4 4
53 Iran 0 0 1 1
54 Egypt 0 0 1 1
55 Morocco 0 0 1 1
56 Bahamas 0 0 1 1
57 Venezuela 0 0 1 1
58 Israel 0 0 1 1
59 Togo 0 0 1 1
60 Afghanistan 0 0 1 1

[JALU3]

If we are talking about IGOs . . . then how would the medal count for the Commonwealth of Nations, OAS, NATO, SCO, or any other major multi-nation IGO be?

It's a non-starter . . . because if the EU was one unified team, that would limit the number of people they could send for an individual event . . . instead of the multiple teams from each individual nation-state.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by JALU3

If we are talking about IGOs . . . then how would the medal count for the Commonwealth of Nations, OAS, NATO, SCO, or any other major multi-nation IGO be?

It's a non-starter . . . because if the EU was one unified team, that would limit the number of people they could send for an individual event . . . instead of the multiple teams from each individual nation-state.

Like i said the difference is so huge that that would hardly change the end result.
From CIA factbook.

The evolution of the European Union (EU) from a regional economic agreement among six neighboring states in 1951 to today's supranational organization of 27 countries across the European continent stands as an unprecedented phenomenon in the annals of history. Dynastic unions for territorial consolidation were long the norm in Europe. On a few occasions even country-level unions were arranged - the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Austro-Hungarian Empire were examples - but for such a large number of nation-states to cede some of their sovereignty to an overarching entity is truly unique. Although the EU is not a federation in the strict sense, it is far more than a free-trade association such as ASEAN, NAFTA, or Mercosur, and it has many of the attributes associated with independent nations: its own flag, anthem, founding date, and currency, as well as an incipient common foreign and security policy in its dealings with other nations. In the future, many of these nation-like characteristics are likely to be expanded. Thus, inclusion of basic intelligence on the EU has been deemed appropriate as a new, separate entity in The World Factbook. However, because of the EU's special status, this description is placed after the regular country entries.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ee.html

[tater]

A single team would have the exact same number of athletes as a US team. So the EU has hundreds of athletes winning 71 gold, but they'd have to eliminate the large majority of their athletes and only pick a few best.

Having to eliminate the large majority of their current team would be a HUGE impact, not a small one.

Take a team sport, there are 10 teams competing, and the EU fields 5 of them. IF they ad a single team, they'd be far less likely to medal.

Take women's gymnastics. Apparently a team is 6 members, and 3 alternates. The EU has 27 countries. That means they field 162 gymnasts and 81 alternates.

The only fair comparison would be to allow the US 50 teams. Sure, we picked what we thought were the 6 best women, but you never know when the 7th best might have her best day ever...

Not saying the EU wouldn't have a great team, they would. But it would not be anything like the medal count you show with the HUGE advantage they have by fielding 27 teams.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by tater

A single team would have the exact same number of athletes as a US team. So the EU has hundreds of athletes winning 71 gold, but they'd have to eliminate the large majority of their athletes and only pick a few best.

Having to eliminate the large majority of their current team would be a HUGE impact, not a small one.

Take a team sport, there are 10 teams competing, and the EU fields 5 of them. IF they ad a single team, they'd be far less likely to medal.

Take women's gymnastics. Apparently a team is 6 members, and 3 alternates. The EU has 27 countries. That means they field 162 gymnasts and 81 alternates.

The only fair comparison would be to allow the US 50 teams. Sure, we picked what we thought were the 6 best women, but you never know when the 7th best might have her best day ever...

Not saying the EU wouldn't have a great team, they would. But it would not be anything like the medal count you show with the HUGE advantage they have by fielding 27 teams.

Bingo. The EU would certainly field a much deeper team. Of course, they would only get to submit one team, not 27. Happy Times' figures are, thus, skewed.

[Happy Times]

So who would take the medals?

[Digital_Trucker]

Using the OPs logic, the US should be allowed to have a team for each state

Then the olympics would never end

[Fish]

By inhabitant:
http://www.photius.com/rankings/medals2.html

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Using the OPs logic, the US should be allowed to have a team for each state

Then the olympics would never end

That's true! And for each providence in Canada, and crud, just throw Mexico in there too!

Call it the North American Union! We are secretly heading this direction anyway. Hopefully not in my lifetime.

-S

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

That's true! And for each providence in Canada, and crud, just throw Mexico in there too!

Call it the North American Union! We are secretly heading this direction anyway. Hopefully not in my lifetime.

-S

We could always reschedule them for once every decade

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

We could always reschedule them for once every decade

We'd have to, it would take five years for the competitions and another five to argue over the results.

[peterloo]

I suddenly have the thought of fielding the UN in the olympics. In this way, it can beat every team around the world lol.......

To be serious --- this figure means nothing. It neglected the effect that a single team under the name "EU" cannot field as much athelete as multiple teams under the name of member countries can

[Horatio]

A fairest comparison would be medals won per capita.. not sure if somebody compiled a list already. there's a price for everything.. http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/r...e#contentSwap1