Why are the Russians robbing incocent people?

SUBMAN1 · 08-21-08, 04:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?vid...modules=1&amp=

That really ticks me off! These people already have very little.

-S

Thomen · 08-21-08, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?vid...modules=1&amp=

That really ticks me off! These people already have very little.

-S

Yep rather sad really..

*cue entry Bruno stage left*

Bruno Lotse · 08-21-08, 04:40 PM

Your old friends Muslims from Chechen battalion Vostok

After Iraq these guys fell in love with Russians

It's them. They are just sharing colors

They are exremly good fighters. Real warriors

But they are also very tough guys.
They do not fight 'Western-type' wars.
They have their own - 'Jihad style'.
Ask your guys in Iraq or Afganistan what kind of 'knights in shining armour'
their enemy is.

SUBMAN1 · 08-21-08, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

Yep rather sad really..

*cue entry Bruno stage left*

Right on cue man!

:rotfl:

With more fantasy land BS too! The biggest BS no less!

-S

PS. A question for Bruno - Do you realize that no one really supports your fantasy land? Or are you just like this always?

nikimcbee · 08-21-08, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?vid...modules=1&amp=

That really ticks me off! These people already have very little.

-S

Russian soldiers looting, now there's a first

.
On a side note, I don't remember how many ethnic Russian citizens were killed by russian soldiers in Chechnya. I wouldn't want to be in there path.

Bruno Lotse · 08-21-08, 04:58 PM

If it's not interesting what i am talking about or displaying about -
just disregard my posts and threads.
For instance, I do not read posts by Happy Time.
I think, he's an idiot and therefore does not worth my time.
Do it to me. You don't like - don't read it.

However, please, check the counter in my threads.
It's impressive, isn't it?
So some folks (and looks like many folks) would be interested
to look at the tree from another side of trenches.

VipertheSniper · 08-21-08, 05:01 PM

Already put him on ignore, as I a) don't want to waste my bandwidth with pictures that tell us absolutely nothing apart from that there's a war and b) because of his drivel.

Digital_Trucker · 08-21-08, 05:06 PM

How can you put him in ignore? He's just sooooooooo entertaining (in a sick, twisted kind of way).

SUBMAN1 · 08-21-08, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Russian soldiers looting, now there's a first

.
On a side note, I don't remember how many ethnic Russian citizens were killed by russian soldiers in Chechnya. I wouldn't want to be in there path.

Well, I can understand them wanting to rob people since Russians don't have much. But the poor stealing from the poor and helpless, now that really gets me. Maybe I have heart, but it's not a good feeling that is in it when I hear these things.

To do these things in America is instant court marshall.

-S

VipertheSniper · 08-21-08, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

How can you put him in ignore? He's just sooooooooo entertaining (in a sick, twisted kind of way).

Not really.

Platapus · 08-21-08, 06:49 PM

Like so often in these situations, we have the politicos on both sides fighting each other with no one giving a crap about the civilians caught in the middle.

People suck

Bruno Lotse · 08-21-08, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Like so often in these situations, we have the politicos on both sides fighting each other with no one giving a crap about the civilians caught in the middle.

People suck

Yep

Stealth Hunter · 08-21-08, 11:14 PM

Probably because the Russian soldiers and people, like the Georgians, are extremely poor.

Communism is not an effective system. Unless you can get people to follow it without question and if you can get them to remain loyal to it for eternity, then it will not work. You'll always have a person who wants more than everyone else.

In short: they're looting and robbing because they need money (only their leaders and business moguls have wealth; the bulk of the Russian army consists of kids who grew up on farms and were dirt poor to boot).

I've been hearing on the news about Russian soldiers looting the bodies of dead Georgians, which really isn't anything new. Hell, they've been doing that since the days of the Seleucid Empire.

I can remember, from 1987, we entered this Iraqi trench. It had been cleared out the day before by our choppers, and we were to secure it. Most of the Iraqis had cleared out and ran for their dear lives the instant the choppers came, but the ones who were dead... some of them had some pretty nice stuff on them (gold rings, gold and silver crowns on their teeth, good-luck necklaces with gems in them, you know the deal). I saw several of our guys take things off their bodies, and with that said, you could make quite a bit of money off something as simple as a gold-plated chain to a necklace or bracelet (IF you could get away with selling it).

Now it's not any different with the Russians and the Georgians today. There's money to be made off it. Of course in our case, you couldn't sell them to people on the street for an insane price (all items of material value had to be given to the government to finance the war; failure to comply would be breaking the law), but there are black markets in every military the world over. If you could find a scrounger, you could buy just about anything you could imagine. Of course, most of it was crap, but the point is there's a fortune to be made off the misfortune of others.

War creates its own little economies and businesses.

XabbaRus · 08-22-08, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Russian soldiers looting, now there's a first

.
On a side note, I don't remember how many ethnic Russian citizens were killed by russian soldiers in Chechnya. I wouldn't want to be in there path.

Well, I can understand them wanting to rob people since Russians don't have much. But the poor stealing from the poor and helpless, now that really gets me. Maybe I have heart, but it's not a good feeling that is in it when I hear these things.

To do these things in America is instant court marshall.

-S

Quantify Russians don't have much? Hey it isn't the early 90's.

Just came back from there for 2 weeks and it seems quite a lot of Russians have quite a lot of stuff. And I'm not just talking about Moscow and its locale, but was also talking to a fair number of old friends in Tomsk and they have decent paying jobs, cars (not ladas either). There is a burgeoning middle class over there.

As for the soldiers. Yep they aren't paid much, well consripts are, I'm not sure about the ones on contract I think about $800-1000 is the average for a full time soldier.

Soldiers looting dead people. What's new in that and it isn't anything unique to the Russians, all sides in war do it....as pointed out by Stealth.

August · 08-22-08, 07:26 AM

I might point out for those who apparently haven't watched the video that the people who the Russians robbed are not dead.

08-21-08, 04:22 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Why are the Russians robbing incocent people? http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?vid...modules=1&amp= That really ticks me off! These people already have very little. -S __________________

08-21-08, 04:40 PM	#3
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 480 Uploads: 0	Your old friends Muslims from Chechen battalion Vostok After Iraq these guys fell in love with Russians It's them. They are just sharing colors They are exremly good fighters. Real warriors But they are also very tough guys. They do not fight 'Western-type' wars. They have their own - 'Jihad style'. Ask your guys in Iraq or Afganistan what kind of 'knights in shining armour' their enemy is. __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen. Last edited by Bruno Lotse; 08-21-08 at 05:00 PM.

08-21-08, 04:58 PM	#6
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 480 Uploads: 0	If it's not interesting what i am talking about or displaying about - just disregard my posts and threads. For instance, I do not read posts by Happy Time. I think, he's an idiot and therefore does not worth my time. Do it to me. You don't like - don't read it. However, please, check the counter in my threads. It's impressive, isn't it? So some folks (and looks like many folks) would be interested to look at the tree from another side of trenches. __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen.

08-21-08, 05:06 PM	#8
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	How can you put him in ignore? He's just sooooooooo entertaining (in a sick, twisted kind of way). __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

08-21-08, 06:49 PM	#11
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Like so often in these situations, we have the politicos on both sides fighting each other with no one giving a crap about the civilians caught in the middle. People suck __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-21-08, 05:01 PM	#7
VipertheSniper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austria Posts: 1,070 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Already put him on ignore, as I a) don't want to waste my bandwidth with pictures that tell us absolutely nothing apart from that there's a war and b) because of his drivel.

08-21-08, 11:14 PM	#13
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Probably because the Russian soldiers and people, like the Georgians, are extremely poor. Communism is not an effective system. Unless you can get people to follow it without question and if you can get them to remain loyal to it for eternity, then it will not work. You'll always have a person who wants more than everyone else. In short: they're looting and robbing because they need money (only their leaders and business moguls have wealth; the bulk of the Russian army consists of kids who grew up on farms and were dirt poor to boot). I've been hearing on the news about Russian soldiers looting the bodies of dead Georgians, which really isn't anything new. Hell, they've been doing that since the days of the Seleucid Empire. I can remember, from 1987, we entered this Iraqi trench. It had been cleared out the day before by our choppers, and we were to secure it. Most of the Iraqis had cleared out and ran for their dear lives the instant the choppers came, but the ones who were dead... some of them had some pretty nice stuff on them (gold rings, gold and silver crowns on their teeth, good-luck necklaces with gems in them, you know the deal). I saw several of our guys take things off their bodies, and with that said, you could make quite a bit of money off something as simple as a gold-plated chain to a necklace or bracelet (IF you could get away with selling it). Now it's not any different with the Russians and the Georgians today. There's money to be made off it. Of course in our case, you couldn't sell them to people on the street for an insane price (all items of material value had to be given to the government to finance the war; failure to comply would be breaking the law), but there are black markets in every military the world over. If you could find a scrounger, you could buy just about anything you could imagine. Of course, most of it was crap, but the point is there's a fortune to be made off the misfortune of others. War creates its own little economies and businesses.

08-22-08, 07:26 AM	#15
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I might point out for those who apparently haven't watched the video that the people who the Russians robbed are not dead. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.