WinXP Running DirectX Version 10

TopcatWA · 07-18-08, 03:45 AM

Has anybody tried running SH4 with the new version of DirectX 10 on WinXP O/S? Although Microsoft have said it is only supported with Vista O/S, there is a version out that works well with WinXP O/S. Looking at the data found here:
http://www.techmixer.com/download-di...or-windows-xp/

It certainly does make a difference to the graphics. I have given it a try & from what I can see it does improve things.

LeeVanSpliff · 07-18-08, 05:16 AM

Uhh that is good news indeed. Goodbye final reason to use Vista

Have you had any problems using it?

Will install later today when I have time.

CDR Resser · 07-18-08, 05:42 PM

Sounds interesting. Could you post a screenshot to demostrate the difference. I would love to see one.

Respectfully Submitted;
CDR Resser

Peto · 07-18-08, 08:01 PM

I'll be following this closely. However--being a little paranoid by nature

--I will probably not jump aboard right away. I looked at the link and was left with the question as to whether or not this DX10 version will still require an 8000+ version of video card?

Over-all--very interesting :hmm:. And thank you for the post!

Peto

Digital_Trucker · 07-18-08, 09:25 PM

What I gathered from it and the comments and the linked "forum" (mostly spam threads and a couple of posts asking what was going in with the development) was:

1) It's been abandoned by the company that started it
B) It does indeed require a DirectX 10 capable card (nVidia 8xxx or higher)
?) It either/alternately does or doesn't work with Crysis
square root of pi) It can cause your computer to get so fouled up you'd better have a restore point set before you install it
$) I never did figure out if it would do anything for SH4 since it's a DirectX9 game anyway

Guess, I'll pass until something a little more organized and documented shows up.

Peto · 07-18-08, 09:54 PM

concur

tomoose · 07-19-08, 01:17 AM

Looks interesting but as someone smarter than myself once said regarding computers: "never get the first edition of anything!!".

I'm still quite happy with 1.4+TMO+RSRD anyway.

Farinhir · 07-19-08, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

$) I never did figure out if it would do anything for SH4 since it's a DirectX9 game anyway

There is the kicker. DX10 only improves DX10 games. I can not wait till I can build a DX10 capable computer (mine is actually dead... using housemates computer), then I will be able to play LotRO in DX10 and really be awed by the graphics (which are beautiful in DX9). As for this game, should be no improvement other than the fact that DX9 apparently runs better on Vista then on XP due to improved driver models.

source: http://dl.tv/2006/07/25/index.php

Orion2012 · 07-19-08, 02:51 PM

1. Yes you will still need a 8*** class (nvidia) card to run Dx10 compatible programs. Just because there have been unofficial versions designed to run on XP dosen't mean it will work with a dx9 card.

2. The reason DX10 is only supported by vista is the new way that graphics drivers are stored in the OS. In XP the driver cabnet that contains your graphics driver is not seperate from another other driver cabinet. In Vista (for DX10) the graphics driver cabninet is seperate meaning that when you have either a memory allocation error or stop error that would normally cause an unstable "core" (the input between the bios and windows) instead of the OS crashing, the driver cabinet will crash and restor the OS (the goal set forth was to allow 90% of all error to be a CTD instead of a core crash)

3. DX10 is still in a very early state, and not fully supported by any manufactore yet (MS stopped selling XP officially a couple weeks ago, so within a year that WILL change)

Lastly, I would highly recommend not doing this unless your very computer friendly. If it were feasible to run DX10 on XP MS would offically support it. Just my professional opinion, but to each his own.

TopcatWA · 07-19-08, 06:56 PM

What do you guys use to paste your screenshots to? I've tried MS Paint but find the screenshot comes out a lot darker then the game viewed pic. Could this have something to do with the Gamma control setting in the game?

seaniam81 · 07-19-08, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teddals

What do you guys use to paste your screenshots to? I've tried MS Paint but find the screenshot comes out a lot darker then the game viewed pic. Could this have something to do with the Gamma control setting in the game?

Just press ctrl-F11 and it'll take a screenshot and store it in your SH4 directory

TopcatWA · 07-21-08, 04:59 AM

A couple of screenshots. As far as my screen goes the pics do seem to me to be more distinct & sharper prior to DirectX 10. This is my humble opinion only. So far after playing 2 more patrols since installation I've not had any problems whatsoever with running the game.

Arclight · 07-21-08, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion2012

2. The reason DX10 is only supported by vista is the new way that graphics drivers are stored in the OS. In XP the driver cabnet that contains your graphics driver is not seperate from another other driver cabinet. In Vista (for DX10) the graphics driver cabninet is seperate meaning that when you have either a memory allocation error or stop error that would normally cause an unstable "core" (the input between the bios and windows) instead of the OS crashing, the driver cabinet will crash and restor the OS (the goal set forth was to allow 90% of all error to be a CTD instead of a core crash)

Uhm, I'm no expert but that doesn't sound right. The only reason AFAIK why DX10 couldn't be backported to XP was because of "virtualisable video memory", a feature that was planned to be implemented in DX10 but never was. And since it never was, DX10 on XP is perfectly feasible, the only reason why it hasn't happened yet being that that would take away the only reason to switch to Vista... Typical M$ arm twisting IMHO. :hmm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion2012

If it were feasible to run DX10 on XP MS would offically support it.

:rotfl: Offcourse they wouldn't, I don't have to be an expert to figure that one out. No self-respecting gamer would switch to Vista if they did.

No offense, but I really think you're forgetting about the MS "comply or die" way of doing business. The number of competitors they actively drove out of business is ever growing, the company was build on the corpses of whoever stood in their way or formed a threat to their profits.

Digital_Trucker · 07-21-08, 07:56 AM

@Arclight ditto to all of the above

@Teddals as far as the screenshots go, it would be extremely difficult to tell if there were any improvement unless you had before and after screenshots of approximately the same subject at the same time of day in the same weather.

I still have to wonder what good DirectX10 would do for a DirectX9 game. Perhaps someone who has a Vista/XP dual boot system with SH4 installed on both (if there is someone out there with such a set up) could tell us if there is any video quality improvement in Vista vs XP with the exact same hardware setup?

Orion2012 · 07-21-08, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion2012

2. The reason DX10 is only supported by vista is the new way that graphics drivers are stored in the OS. In XP the driver cabnet that contains your graphics driver is not seperate from another other driver cabinet. In Vista (for DX10) the graphics driver cabninet is seperate meaning that when you have either a memory allocation error or stop error that would normally cause an unstable "core" (the input between the bios and windows) instead of the OS crashing, the driver cabinet will crash and restor the OS (the goal set forth was to allow 90% of all error to be a CTD instead of a core crash)

Uhm, I'm no expert but that doesn't sound right. The only reason AFAIK why DX10 couldn't be backported to XP was because of "virtualisable video memory", a feature that was planned to be implemented in DX10 but never was. And since it never was, DX10 on XP is perfectly feasible, the only reason why it hasn't happened yet being that that would take away the only reason to switch to Vista... Typical M$ arm twisting IMHO. :hmm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion2012

If it were feasible to run DX10 on XP MS would offically support it.

:rotfl: Offcourse they wouldn't, I don't have to be an expert to figure that one out. No self-respecting gamer would switch to Vista if they did.

No offense, but I really think you're forgetting about the MS "comply or die" way of doing business. The number of competitors they actively drove out of business is ever growing, the company was build on the corpses of whoever stood in their way or formed a threat to their profits.

Trust me I know all about the die or comply business method as I drive into the Mountain View R&D center 7 days a week. Virtualizable Video memory hasn't been implimented yet meaning as of now, yes it is feasible to run DX10 on XP, but it's not a idea that has been given up on, its just not somthinge any video cards currently support.

DT: As far as posting pictures of DX9 and then DX10 on Sh4. I will do when I'm home (work) as I have dual boot into Vista/XP on XFX 9800 SLI. I'll have to install SH4 (anywhere but my programs folder) on vista as I use it mainly for work related activites. Although the difference should be miniscule, if not worse.

07-18-08, 03:45 AM	#1
TopcatWA Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Downunder W.A. Sth.of the River Posts: 174 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	WinXP Running DirectX Version 10 Has anybody tried running SH4 with the new version of DirectX 10 on WinXP O/S? Although Microsoft have said it is only supported with Vista O/S, there is a version out that works well with WinXP O/S. Looking at the data found here: http://www.techmixer.com/download-di...or-windows-xp/ It certainly does make a difference to the graphics. I have given it a try & from what I can see it does improve things. __________________ Run Silent Run Deep!!!! 01.NSM4 Classic/.RFB v.1.52.1024+Patches 02.RFB Radar HotFix/RSRDC_RFBv15_V420+Patch2 03.Sobers_Better_Rocks & Sand 04.Small_Nav_Tools_w_Chrono 05.Brit_MkVIII_US_Mk28_Torps 06.ROW Sound effects.v.9/Enviromental 5.0 O/S Win10 Pro 64-Bit/Intel 64xQuad Core CPU i7-4790+3.60 Ghz 32gig RAM nVidia GeForce GTX-1650 Ti

07-18-08, 05:16 AM	#2
LeeVanSpliff Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 127 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Uhh that is good news indeed. Goodbye final reason to use Vista Have you had any problems using it? Will install later today when I have time. __________________ "I'll rant as well as thou." Hamlet, Act 5, Scene 1

07-18-08, 05:42 PM	#3
CDR Resser Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Submerged ahead Posts: 252 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	Sounds interesting. Could you post a screenshot to demostrate the difference. I would love to see one. Respectfully Submitted; CDR Resser __________________ Holy Equestrian Order of Saint John Moses Sometimes, in war, there is an inverse moral. The greater the performance, the harsher the consequence. R.H. O'Kane

07-18-08, 08:01 PM	#4
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I'll be following this closely. However--being a little paranoid by nature --I will probably not jump aboard right away. I looked at the link and was left with the question as to whether or not this DX10 version will still require an 8000+ version of video card? Over-all--very interesting :hmm:. And thank you for the post! Peto __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

07-18-08, 09:25 PM	#5
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	What I gathered from it and the comments and the linked "forum" (mostly spam threads and a couple of posts asking what was going in with the development) was: 1) It's been abandoned by the company that started it B) It does indeed require a DirectX 10 capable card (nVidia 8xxx or higher) ?) It either/alternately does or doesn't work with Crysis square root of pi) It can cause your computer to get so fouled up you'd better have a restore point set before you install it $) I never did figure out if it would do anything for SH4 since it's a DirectX9 game anyway Guess, I'll pass until something a little more organized and documented shows up. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

07-18-08, 09:54 PM	#6
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	concur __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

07-19-08, 01:17 AM	#7
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Pass Looks interesting but as someone smarter than myself once said regarding computers: "never get the first edition of anything!!". I'm still quite happy with 1.4+TMO+RSRD anyway.

07-19-08, 02:51 PM	#9
Orion2012 Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 611 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The truth about Dx10.... 1. Yes you will still need a 8*** class (nvidia) card to run Dx10 compatible programs. Just because there have been unofficial versions designed to run on XP dosen't mean it will work with a dx9 card. 2. The reason DX10 is only supported by vista is the new way that graphics drivers are stored in the OS. In XP the driver cabnet that contains your graphics driver is not seperate from another other driver cabinet. In Vista (for DX10) the graphics driver cabninet is seperate meaning that when you have either a memory allocation error or stop error that would normally cause an unstable "core" (the input between the bios and windows) instead of the OS crashing, the driver cabinet will crash and restor the OS (the goal set forth was to allow 90% of all error to be a CTD instead of a core crash) 3. DX10 is still in a very early state, and not fully supported by any manufactore yet (MS stopped selling XP officially a couple weeks ago, so within a year that WILL change) Lastly, I would highly recommend not doing this unless your very computer friendly. If it were feasible to run DX10 on XP MS would offically support it. Just my professional opinion, but to each his own.

07-19-08, 06:56 PM	#10
TopcatWA Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Downunder W.A. Sth.of the River Posts: 174 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	What do you guys use to paste your screenshots to? I've tried MS Paint but find the screenshot comes out a lot darker then the game viewed pic. Could this have something to do with the Gamma control setting in the game? __________________ Run Silent Run Deep!!!! 01.NSM4 Classic/.RFB v.1.52.1024+Patches 02.RFB Radar HotFix/RSRDC_RFBv15_V420+Patch2 03.Sobers_Better_Rocks & Sand 04.Small_Nav_Tools_w_Chrono 05.Brit_MkVIII_US_Mk28_Torps 06.ROW Sound effects.v.9/Enviromental 5.0 O/S Win10 Pro 64-Bit/Intel 64xQuad Core CPU i7-4790+3.60 Ghz 32gig RAM nVidia GeForce GTX-1650 Ti

07-21-08, 04:59 AM	#12
TopcatWA Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Downunder W.A. Sth.of the River Posts: 174 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	A couple of screenshots. As far as my screen goes the pics do seem to me to be more distinct & sharper prior to DirectX 10. This is my humble opinion only. So far after playing 2 more patrols since installation I've not had any problems whatsoever with running the game. __________________ Run Silent Run Deep!!!! 01.NSM4 Classic/.RFB v.1.52.1024+Patches 02.RFB Radar HotFix/RSRDC_RFBv15_V420+Patch2 03.Sobers_Better_Rocks & Sand 04.Small_Nav_Tools_w_Chrono 05.Brit_MkVIII_US_Mk28_Torps 06.ROW Sound effects.v.9/Enviromental 5.0 O/S Win10 Pro 64-Bit/Intel 64xQuad Core CPU i7-4790+3.60 Ghz 32gig RAM nVidia GeForce GTX-1650 Ti Last edited by TopcatWA; 07-21-08 at 06:14 PM.

07-21-08, 07:56 AM	#14
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	@Arclight ditto to all of the above @Teddals as far as the screenshots go, it would be extremely difficult to tell if there were any improvement unless you had before and after screenshots of approximately the same subject at the same time of day in the same weather. I still have to wonder what good DirectX10 would do for a DirectX9 game. Perhaps someone who has a Vista/XP dual boot system with SH4 installed on both (if there is someone out there with such a set up) could tell us if there is any video quality improvement in Vista vs XP with the exact same hardware setup? __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.