Just want to make sure this is clear

[John W. Hamm]

Below is a link to the Yamato WIP it's a ongoing debate about the use and making of surface ship, that I think everyone should read, you may want to start at page one but this link will take you to page 2

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=136355&page=2

[akdavis]

I think the most important thing to gather from there and other recent threads is that it is very inappropiate to make requests for your pet ship of the moment. Obviously, a modder is going to be directed first and foremost by their own interests. If they wanted to make their decisions on how they spend their time based on community popularity, I'm sure they would start a thread or a poll.

No more [REQ] for surface ships. Either do it yourself or wait and see what the current producers decide to work on next. I suspect it is these threads that are generating some angst and fueling negative discussions.

It would probably make more sense to focus energy on overcoming some of the huge barriers to surface ship gameplay in SH4 (which may be insurmountable and therefore a big disincentive to indulging requests), rather than on seeing how many new ships can fit into the "garage."

[Sailor Steve]

I agree with that sentiment. While not much of a modder myself, I get tired of seeing them flooded with requests like "can any of you modders out there make this for me?" Occasionally some modder will actually ask "I'm at a loss for what to do next. Would you rather see this or that?" But those times are rare.

Another favorite peeve is "When will it be done?"

[tater]

If enough people want something, one of them will have the skill to do it (at least), and others will use it as an excuse to learn how.

If people don't want it... or none that have the skills, then I guess you have to do it yourself or be SOL.

tater

[Ducimus]

Obviously, a modder is going to be directed first and foremost by their own interests. If they wanted to make their decisions on how they spend their time based on community popularity, I'm sure they would start a thread or a poll.

This.

[The_Pharoah]

I for one have been following these threads since good ole Xantrakoles decided to release the first Fubuki (*pats Fubuki - don't worry girl, daddy will be back to play with you after I'm fed up of playing with your bigger sister - Scheer") and eagerly await any ship release.

All I can do for the moment is play a supporting role, with a few supporting comments or issues to help out the guys developing the mods as I don't have the time or intellect to figure out this modding business. Thats probably what the rest of us should do.

Just support, thank, download and play.

[gimpy117]

you can request, but i think it's really up to the modder, don't pound it into heads...

[LukeFF]

Totally agree with John's post. Similarly, when Nauticalwolf posted his thread about fixing the Pearl Harbor buildings, people started bombarding him with "can you do this port and that one, and then this, and then that?" FFS people, let them do their work with burying them with your personal requests.

[The_Pharoah]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Totally agree with John's post. Similarly, when Nauticalwolf posted his thread about fixing the Pearl Harbor buildings, people started bombarding him with "can you do this port and that one, and then this, and then that?" FFS people, let them do their work with burying them with your personal requests.

keep in mind though that this is because people are eager and interested in your mod. compare this 'enforced silence because we're working' to a situation where you take all the time you need and release your mod only for NOONE to play it.

I think players posting what they'd like shows that there's interest in what you're doing - just ignore it and concentrate on what you're doing - at the end of the day, its not for you - its for the community (ie. those users who are putting forward requests). because if it wasn't, why would you release it in the first place?

note: this is not meant to be a flame or anything - i have much respect for guys who take the time to learn the inner workings of this awesome game to produce something which I've been eagerly awaiting for years. This is just to put the argument into perspective. Rock on!!

[John W. Hamm]

Moved this over from the Yamato thread so we would not Hi-jack that one any longer per Nesgeis's very correct assertion

Originally Posted by Mikahyl

John, you quote my post and then you talk about someone else, what do you expect ? That's getting seriously irritating.

Originally Posted by John W. Hamm

Sorry man... thats why I spelled it out this time... Oh yeah and welcome to the world of frustration.

Originally Posted by Mikahyl

Well, in my books, frustrating and irritating are two different matters. Anyway, how much time did it take you to write your numerous posts & threads about the same subject ? And how much time did it take to Miner and Horsa to have some almost done ships starting from scratch ?

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

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Originally Posted by John W. Hamm
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Originally Posted by Xantrokoles
Ahhhhh now I see it!!
But I won't give it out
NOT because it is so ugly made!

It is because when I do it, I will be abused as a Nazi or similar





I read that thread fully and the above quote is out of context. It refers only to releasing a version of the PocketBB skin/model that has a swastika on it. I can understand why someone in Germany may not want to release models with swastikas on them.

Now, reading on from the rest of the thread, I believe what Xantrokoles is saying is that at the moment, the larger battleships, with their immense armour and firepower do not play well, as there are no AI torpedoes to be afraid of. If someone can get AI units to fire torpedoes, then perhaps he will get the motivation to complete the Iowa.

It's one thing to have tested something with a proof of concept model and a completely different one to have a model anywhere near to a state ready for release. It does matter to people what state they release their mods in, as it is a reflection of their standards of work. Proof of concept models are often a bit iffy at best, it would probably create far more problems than it would solve, with people asking 'can you just fix this, it's only adding some extra AA guns' or 'how about just adding some crew in' or whatever and could become quite distracting.

Xantrokoles also says that the Iowa was based on the same model as that the Pocket BB is based on, so it would be a large amount of work to make it so it could be used at the same time as the PocketBB, which other people were indicating a desire for (in a surface fleet).

As you can see, it's a substantial amount of work and not just a matter of putting it up on filefront. Working on something you don't believe in is no fun.

This discussion has sprawled across a few threads and runs the risk of hijacking the threads they are in. Could we stick to discussing this in one thread in one forum and let the original content of the threads be discussed? I think that would be best for all if we got back to discussing the Yamato in this thread .

Originally Posted by John W. Hamm

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....In total about 15 minutes maybe 20 on for my post's, as far as how long did it take Miner and horsa to do their ships...?

I'm afraid I'll have to answer your question with a question here...Why are you asking me how long it took them to do something? wouldn't it be better to ask them?

Look man You are an excellent Modder the breadth of the task that you have undertaken and your accomplishments alone command alot of respect, and you certainly have mine.

I couldn't have done what you did, I tried, I only had about 10 hours though that I could devote to it. And clearly it would take more initially.

As far as the quotes go..., I didn't write them I just quoted them. Take them for what they are worth.

If you are upset by them then I think there are 2 prevailing schools of thought here, either you are misunderstanding them, or you understand them, and after seeing how other people perceived them, your not happy with what you stated.

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Originally Posted by Mikahyl
Fully agreed Xantro, IMO all surface ships are boring, I made mine because I was bored, but I better like to run silent and being the "weak" & tracked one
For the torpedoes I didn't really bother because I made it more like some "sail simulator" ship than a warship. But I was thinking, if you attach the torpedo tubes to a mobile launcher (like a gun turret), I wonder if the torpedo would still spawn with 0° angle from your sub or 0° angle from its parent launcher object Z axis :hmm:
And keep on, I don't plan any other ships myself !
PS : Seine Franzose ist klasse, and when the tank is done please make me a playable x-wing




All I was saying is that I didn't think it appropriate to minimize or be sarcastic to other people about their request's, after all I believe that is part (I stress part) of the intention of a Modding forum.

In either case if it was not your intention or I have simply misunderstood the above statement or I have taken it out of context then my sincere appology's

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Originally Posted by NISGEIS
I read that thread fully and the above quote is out of context. It refers only to releasing a version of the PocketBB skin/model that has a swastika on it. I can understand why someone in Germany may not want to release models with swastikas on them.



Yup you are right thats my bad, but there are plenty of others, oh and i did set up a thread specific to this it is here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136451 I will copy these last few to it.

[John W. Hamm]

And with all this being said...I'm done, I will reiterate, all I wanted to point out is that, I didn't think it was right to be sarcastic or minimize others... I don't think it is to much to ask.

and if you don't like what you are doing then stop.

this community is better than that and I think that intergrity needs to be maintained.

that is about as short and to the point as I can get.

at this point no matter what is said I will have no response to it.