Avoiding DETECTION-Plz Help!

mino · 03-28-08, 07:12 AM

Hi Again Gang

With the help of MANY on this board...I am getting thru the game slowly, and in yes, newbie, arcade style to start at 0% realism, to get to know all the controls and game etc...

heres my MAJOR PROBLEM

in missions courageous, and especially in 4th, think its happy times, where I must travel all east thru the gibraltar straits...
I have read all the posts, and the walkthru tips for this mediteranean mission, but Im always 'found'

how come when I:

I go to :run silent, go deep, and under 3 knots, they all come right OVER ME, and drop charges,,,then I speed up and try to evade out, and its now fast enough,,,I evenutally flood and end it all,,,truied about seven times, these 2 missions,,,,

WHAT THE HECK AM I DOING WRONG

I really love this game, but seems no matter what I try, they FIND ME IN SILENT MODE, under 3 knots, and deep,,,how do I fix this?

thnx

Grayson02sept1980 · 03-28-08, 08:08 AM

maybe you should go under 100rpms

go in the F2 screen and and take a look the RPMs rather than the speed

what do you mean with "deep" ? how deep is this.

atm I have no other ideas... other's might chime in and give better and more info.

Keelbuster · 03-28-08, 08:33 AM

The Gibraltar strait is a bitch. It's a once-a-career-thing for me. I don't take it casually, and getting through it without detection is very unlikely. Remember, if you get detected, you can still get away! Use decoys! Listen to the hydrophone and when they drop the cans on you, turn and run! But as for avoiding detection, here are my tips:

- don't get near a destroyer in perfectly clear weather. This goes for convoy attacks, etc. In really high seas, DDs can't hear sh%t. If I was to do the Gibraltar crossing, i'd make damn sure it wasn't perfectly still.

- if you get visually detected, it's usually at a really long range (> 7km). When this happens, you have to 'clear the datum'. That is, dive, and change course and make a flank run for as long as you think you can. The DD will make a beeline for your last position, and he'll do it at flank. So he'll be deaf. You can take advantage of this by clearing the area. Listen to the hydrophone (or have your SO do it) - when he slows down to a medium speed, he can hear again so you should go silent. But by then he'll be searching in the wrong place (unless he hears you again).

- go really deep. If you're in trouble (e.g., 3 escorts are closing in), I go as deep as I possibly can. However, another trick is this - if you know they're closing on you, but you have a _bit_ of time before they get rigth on you, drop a decoy at say...50m - on your way down to 220m. Dive at 4kts, or even 5kts. Clear the datum. Then around 140m or so, go silent and hope that they take the bait. They often do. Or at least it will strip off one of the escorts....

Canovaro · 03-28-08, 09:05 AM

As said before, go under 100 rpm and try to stay away from the destroyers. Do not keep the priscope up longer than a few seconds.

Brag · 03-28-08, 10:05 AM

You may try hugging the African coast, but where it is deep. Keep in mind, what you are trying to do is the most difficult transit.

Umfuld · 03-28-08, 10:51 AM

Does anyone do what I do and just run the entire straight as deep as I can safely go and make it through without being detected or coming up for air once?

SmokinTep · 03-28-08, 10:55 AM

I've never been thru there without being detected.

mino · 03-28-08, 11:02 AM

thnx so much guys about the bits I didn't know(mentioned above)

and no, ya cant simly do that all underwater,,,plus even with many saves,,yea, well said its a bitch....

decoys, rpms, and knowing about how they attack me,,,has helped me alot

and yea,,,,couragous is a toughy,,save often!

thnx guyz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here I go again,,,,,'dive'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jimbuna · 03-28-08, 11:05 AM

A glutton for punishment

Captain Nemo · 03-28-08, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keelbuster

don't get near a destroyer in perfectly clear weather. This goes for convoy attacks, etc. In really high seas, DDs can't hear sh%t. If I was to do the Gibraltar crossing, i'd make damn sure it wasn't perfectly still.

Never done the Gibralter Strait so can't comment specifically on that, but I fully support Keelbuster's comment that calm waters can be deadly. I found out the hard way this morning by getting sunk by a destroyer after attacking a convoy

. To make things worse it was only January 1940

.

Nemo

Jimbuna · 03-28-08, 04:25 PM

In orfer to give yourself the best possible chance of success.......use nightfall, surface for as long as possible, keep to the African coastline and max speed 2 knots when your hydrophones detect surface traffic.

predavolk · 03-28-08, 05:43 PM

And do NOT use time compression! It draws them to you for some unknown buggy reason. Since not using time compression, I'm 4-4 in sneaking past destroyers into a convoy. With time compression, 0-6. Same tactics.

Letum · 03-28-08, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by predavolk

And do NOT use time compression! It draws them to you for some unknown buggy reason. Since not using time compression, I'm 4-4 in sneaking past destroyers into a convoy. With time compression, 0-6. Same tactics.

Nah, thats not true. Im sure its not.

Brag · 03-28-08, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Quote:

Originally Posted by predavolk

And do NOT use time compression! It draws them to you for some unknown buggy reason. Since not using time compression, I'm 4-4 in sneaking past destroyers into a convoy. With time compression, 0-6. Same tactics.

Nah, thats not true. Im sure its not.

I agree with predavolk

That is one of the reasons of Balz's success :rotfl: :rotfl:

Umfuld · 03-28-08, 10:17 PM

This is interesting. Maybe we should do a poll and get every skippers feelings on TC making detection more likely.

I'd be very interested in knowing what people think.

I used to think everyone agreed this was the case and I cetainly found it to be so. But the last time I played GWX 2 I used high TC while escaping and to my surprise it didn't cost me. So maybe I'm wrong about it.

Sadly my PC is dying and I can't play SHIII right now to test it.

03-28-08, 07:12 AM	#1
mino Watch Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 17 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Avoiding DETECTION-Plz Help! Hi Again Gang With the help of MANY on this board...I am getting thru the game slowly, and in yes, newbie, arcade style to start at 0% realism, to get to know all the controls and game etc... heres my MAJOR PROBLEM in missions courageous, and especially in 4th, think its happy times, where I must travel all east thru the gibraltar straits... I have read all the posts, and the walkthru tips for this mediteranean mission, but Im always 'found' how come when I: I go to :run silent, go deep, and under 3 knots, they all come right OVER ME, and drop charges,,,then I speed up and try to evade out, and its now fast enough,,,I evenutally flood and end it all,,,truied about seven times, these 2 missions,,,, WHAT THE HECK AM I DOING WRONG I really love this game, but seems no matter what I try, they FIND ME IN SILENT MODE, under 3 knots, and deep,,,how do I fix this? thnx

03-28-08, 08:08 AM	#2
Grayson02sept1980 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany-Bayreuth Posts: 276 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	maybe you should go under 100rpms go in the F2 screen and and take a look the RPMs rather than the speed what do you mean with "deep" ? how deep is this. atm I have no other ideas... other's might chime in and give better and more info. __________________ SH3 Commander GWX 2.0 OLC GUI

03-28-08, 08:33 AM	#3
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	The Gibraltar strait is a bitch. It's a once-a-career-thing for me. I don't take it casually, and getting through it without detection is very unlikely. Remember, if you get detected, you can still get away! Use decoys! Listen to the hydrophone and when they drop the cans on you, turn and run! But as for avoiding detection, here are my tips: - don't get near a destroyer in perfectly clear weather. This goes for convoy attacks, etc. In really high seas, DDs can't hear sh%t. If I was to do the Gibraltar crossing, i'd make damn sure it wasn't perfectly still. - if you get visually detected, it's usually at a really long range (> 7km). When this happens, you have to 'clear the datum'. That is, dive, and change course and make a flank run for as long as you think you can. The DD will make a beeline for your last position, and he'll do it at flank. So he'll be deaf. You can take advantage of this by clearing the area. Listen to the hydrophone (or have your SO do it) - when he slows down to a medium speed, he can hear again so you should go silent. But by then he'll be searching in the wrong place (unless he hears you again). - go really deep. If you're in trouble (e.g., 3 escorts are closing in), I go as deep as I possibly can. However, another trick is this - if you know they're closing on you, but you have a _bit_ of time before they get rigth on you, drop a decoy at say...50m - on your way down to 220m. Dive at 4kts, or even 5kts. Clear the datum. Then around 140m or so, go silent and hope that they take the bait. They often do. Or at least it will strip off one of the escorts.... __________________

03-28-08, 10:05 AM	#5
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	You may try hugging the African coast, but where it is deep. Keep in mind, what you are trying to do is the most difficult transit. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

03-28-08, 10:51 AM	#6
Umfuld Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Posts: 503 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Does anyone do what I do and just run the entire straight as deep as I can safely go and make it through without being detected or coming up for air once? __________________ Type VIIB = The Truth

03-28-08, 09:05 AM	#4
Canovaro Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,062 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	As said before, go under 100 rpm and try to stay away from the destroyers. Do not keep the priscope up longer than a few seconds.

03-28-08, 10:55 AM	#7
SmokinTep Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 1,027 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I've never been thru there without being detected.

03-28-08, 11:02 AM	#8
mino Watch Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 17 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	thnx so much guys about the bits I didn't know(mentioned above) and no, ya cant simly do that all underwater,,,plus even with many saves,,yea, well said its a bitch.... decoys, rpms, and knowing about how they attack me,,,has helped me alot and yea,,,,couragous is a toughy,,save often! thnx guyz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here I go again,,,,,'dive'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-28-08, 11:05 AM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,770 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A glutton for punishment __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-28-08, 04:25 PM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,770 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	In orfer to give yourself the best possible chance of success.......use nightfall, surface for as long as possible, keep to the African coastline and max speed 2 knots when your hydrophones detect surface traffic. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-28-08, 05:43 PM	#12
predavolk Weps Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 369 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	And do NOT use time compression! It draws them to you for some unknown buggy reason. Since not using time compression, I'm 4-4 in sneaking past destroyers into a convoy. With time compression, 0-6. Same tactics.

03-28-08, 10:17 PM	#15
Umfuld Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Posts: 503 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	This is interesting. Maybe we should do a poll and get every skippers feelings on TC making detection more likely. I'd be very interested in knowing what people think. I used to think everyone agreed this was the case and I cetainly found it to be so. But the last time I played GWX 2 I used high TC while escaping and to my surprise it didn't cost me. So maybe I'm wrong about it. Sadly my PC is dying and I can't play SHIII right now to test it. __________________ Type VIIB = The Truth