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August · 03-04-08, 02:39 PM

I read somewhere that the pilot wasn't flying during that landing attempt. It was the inexperienced co-pilot. Either way it was a fine recovery.

RickC Sniper · 03-04-08, 02:41 PM

I agree with Sonar732 that the right wing also touched. You can see debris or dust that was kicked up.

Amazing video and I think very lucky for all who were aboard that plane.

03-04-08, 04:09 PM

It doesn't matter the best landing, lucky they are still alive and got to land without a scratch.

Skybird · 03-04-08, 04:29 PM

News today said it was the copilot flying, a young woman. On the photos of the two, the pilot did not look much older, too. Training the youngsters all nice and well - but for the decision not to fly himself in that kind of extreme weather the pilot without doubt will take fire.

Blacklight · 03-04-08, 04:36 PM

This video reminded me of a flight that I took from Florida back to Connecticut. We left just as this HUGE storm was coming in. We were out over the ocean and the storm was basicly right behind us. Suddenly the planed just dropped and we were weightless for several secconds (and it wasn't just a quick little drop.. this was litterally severaly secconds of floating around). Then the plane reccovered, and then this happened again maybe two or three more times. Everyone in my passenger area thought we were going to die. it was like riding in NASA's Vomit Commet. Thankfully everyone had their seat belts on and the meal and drinks hadn't been served.. otherwise, it would have been VERY messy.

The entire flight until Connecticut was really bumpy and bouncy but thankfully no other big drops occured.

sonar732 · 03-04-08, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklight

This video reminded me of a flight that I took from Florida back to Connecticut. We left just as this HUGE storm was coming in. We were out over the ocean and the storm was basicly right behind us. Suddenly the planed just dropped and we were weightless for several secconds (and it wasn't just a quick little drop.. this was litterally severaly secconds of floating around). Then the plane reccovered, and then this happened again maybe two or three more times. Everyone in my passenger area thought we were going to die. it was like riding in NASA's Vomit Commet. Thankfully everyone had their seat belts on and the meal and drinks hadn't been served.. otherwise, it would have been VERY messy.

The entire flight until Connecticut was really bumpy and bouncy but thankfully no other big drops occured.

Sounds like your flight was going on the same path as a cold front draped across the East Coast.

Skybird · 03-04-08, 05:54 PM

Story is in: the copilot is 24 years old and tried the first landing, and it was the pilot who then took over to abort the landing.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...539373,00.html

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24-Year-Old Co-Pilot Made First Landing Attempt

A young co-pilot steered the Airbus A320 that almost crashed on Saturday while trying to land in heavy wind. The more experienced 39-year-old pilot then took over to abort the landing and take off again.
The Lufthansa Airbus A320 that almost crashedwhile trying to land at Hamburg airport in heavy wind was being steered by the 24-year-old female co-pilot, named only as Maxi J., according to a spokesman for the German Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Investigation.

The subsequent maneuver in which the landing was aborted and the plane quickly took off again for a second attempt was conducted by the more experienced 39-year-old pilot, Oliver A.

It's still unclear why the pilot allowed his less experienced colleague to land the plane during the storm. It's not unusual for pilot and co-pilot to swap roles on commercial flights. Usually one of the pilots steers the plane and the other handles communications.

Co-pilots are subject to the same training standards as captains and have to be able to perform the same tasks. A Lufthansa spokesman declined to comment, saying the investigation into the incident was still taking place.

The jet with 131 passengers on board was caught by a gust of wind as it came in to land in pouring rain during a heavy storm on Saturday. It tipped and swerved precariously and one of its wings scraped the runway before it took off again. The incident was captured on video.

Lufthansa said none of the passengers was hurt.

Pilots' association Cockpit said neither the pilots, air traffic control or Hamburg airport could be blamed for the near crash. "From what is currently known I see no one who is to blame," said cockpit spokesman Markus Kirschneck.

August · 03-04-08, 06:09 PM

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It's still unclear why the pilot allowed his less experienced colleague to land the plane during the storm.

Uhm, to gain experience would be my guess.

CCIP · 03-04-08, 06:40 PM

You'd think he'd think twice before letting a n00b fly in those sorts of conditions!

Oh, they'll be in trouble alright...

August · 03-04-08, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

You'd think he'd think twice before letting a n00b fly in those sorts of conditions!

Oh, they'll be in trouble alright...

You think so? How is a new pilot going to become experienced if they are only allowed to fly in good conditions?

Skybird · 03-04-08, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

You'd think he'd think twice before letting a n00b fly in those sorts of conditions!

Oh, they'll be in trouble alright...

Yes, my guess, too. Although copilots are expected to have the same flight qualification like senior pilots, I think they run a bit shorter on experience, due to shorter service time. we had a very severe "Orkan" at that time over here - the dictionary translates "Orkan" as "hurricane". Landing in that kind of weather I would rate as a condtion red situation - and then I would assume the senior should have the command, not a 24 year old - go calculate how many years of lfight experience she could have had after leaving school and undergo Lufthansa training, even if no waiting time between both took place. The girl probably tried to do her best - but she should not have been allowed in the first, due to the to-be-expected experience difference between her and her chief. For training, that was to dangeorus a situation. The price was almost to be payed, and would have been a major catastrophe.

TteFAboB · 03-06-08, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by CCIP

You'd think he'd think twice before letting a n00b fly in those sorts of conditions!

Oh, they'll be in trouble alright...

You think so? How is a new pilot going to become experienced if they are only allowed to fly in good conditions?

Simulator?

Platapus · 03-06-08, 09:58 AM

In flyin there is no such thing as an "almost bad landing". If you can walk away with no injuries or damage, it was a great landing!

Mega Kudos for the pilots

One of my favourite schticks from the movie “Airplane”

We will be coming in low

Coming in low, isn’t that risky?

Of course it is, it is risky anytime you come in low, but it is just one of those things you have to do when you land.

Tchocky · 03-06-08, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

In flyin there is no such thing as an "almost bad landing". If you can walk away with no injuries or damage, it was a great landing!

Mega Kudos for the pilots

One of my favourite schticks from the movie “Airplane”

We will be coming in low

Coming in low, isn’t that risky?

Of course it is, it is risky anytime you come in low, but it is just one of those things you have to do when you land.

So foggy, they were flying on instruments..

03-04-08, 02:39 PM	#16
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,226 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I read somewhere that the pilot wasn't flying during that landing attempt. It was the inexperienced co-pilot. Either way it was a fine recovery. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

03-04-08, 02:41 PM	#17
RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	I agree with Sonar732 that the right wing also touched. You can see debris or dust that was kicked up. Amazing video and I think very lucky for all who were aboard that plane. __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

03-04-08, 04:29 PM	#19
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,706 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	News today said it was the copilot flying, a young woman. On the photos of the two, the pilot did not look much older, too. Training the youngsters all nice and well - but for the decision not to fly himself in that kind of extreme weather the pilot without doubt will take fire. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-04-08, 04:36 PM	#20
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	This video reminded me of a flight that I took from Florida back to Connecticut. We left just as this HUGE storm was coming in. We were out over the ocean and the storm was basicly right behind us. Suddenly the planed just dropped and we were weightless for several secconds (and it wasn't just a quick little drop.. this was litterally severaly secconds of floating around). Then the plane reccovered, and then this happened again maybe two or three more times. Everyone in my passenger area thought we were going to die. it was like riding in NASA's Vomit Commet. Thankfully everyone had their seat belts on and the meal and drinks hadn't been served.. otherwise, it would have been VERY messy. The entire flight until Connecticut was really bumpy and bouncy but thankfully no other big drops occured. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

03-04-08, 06:40 PM	#24
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	You'd think he'd think twice before letting a n00b fly in those sorts of conditions! Oh, they'll be in trouble alright... __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-04-08, 04:09 PM	#18
AdlerGrosmann Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	It doesn't matter the best landing, lucky they are still alive and got to land without a scratch.

03-06-08, 09:58 AM	#28
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,393 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	In flyin there is no such thing as an "almost bad landing". If you can walk away with no injuries or damage, it was a great landing! Mega Kudos for the pilots One of my favourite schticks from the movie “Airplane” We will be coming in low Coming in low, isn’t that risky? Of course it is, it is risky anytime you come in low, but it is just one of those things you have to do when you land. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.