possible north sea shipping lanes map

flag4 · 01-28-08, 10:29 AM

hi hunters

have been watching hitlers lost sub about u-869

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_...o.x=13&Go.y=14

have also been looking for a map of merchant routes or sea lanes in the north sea, and up came this photo of admiral king and when i looked over his left shoulder - hey presto ! there is one !

not very clear, but, if one of you navy guys - or anyone, recognises the map it could be edited for that section - the north sea and we could could have it for a download. it would make a very nice adition to the other maps we use....waddya think ?

(feeling very pleased with myself !

)

TomcatMVD · 01-28-08, 10:33 AM

Woah! Sharp eye skipper!
But, aren't those TOO many routes to hope to have them modelled in SHIII? Dunno, just wondering...
Good idea though! Damn good idea.

flag4 · 01-28-08, 10:39 AM

hi TomcatMVD

i ment, sorry, not as a file/mod download, but something to print off and lamenate, something to physically have and look at,

like i have the shipsflag recognition quick ref' lamenated and i use it to play the game, its nice to pick up and hold - a little more immersion if you will !!

Hanomag · 01-28-08, 11:06 AM

Wow so much for OPSEC!

Who ever took that picture musta been a spy.

" Uh... A little to your left admiral.. a little more.. " <click>

TomcatMVD · 01-28-08, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flag4

hi TomcatMVD

i ment, sorry, not as a file/mod download, but something to print off and lamenate, something to physically have and look at,

like i have the shipsflag recognition quick ref' lamenated and i use it to play the game, its nice to pick up and hold - a little more immersion if you will !!

Got it...
Quite a piece of INTEL that would be!

flag4 · 01-28-08, 02:51 PM

any of you navy guys have a take on this map - or what it might be called or where i might find an image of it.....

.......any takers, anyone ??

i have had a look at navy web sights and map web sights this afternoon and had no luck so far.

someone on subsim must know something about maps - i mean the ol' admiral is stood infront of it - its gotta have a name, a code number a serial number - something....

please have a think.....

cheers

Brag · 01-28-08, 04:44 PM

Someone slipped a ten dollar tip into the admiral's breast pocket :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Reece · 01-28-08, 08:28 PM

This is what you want:

http://www.zazzle.com/detailed_wwii_...00946427330008
A good one for SH4 fans:
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/MacArthur%20Reports/MacArthur%20V1/Images/p_047.jpg

Sailor Steve · 01-28-08, 10:42 PM

The lines in the first linked map appear to be distances, not shipping lanes. Possibly the Admiral's map is the same?

Reece · 01-29-08, 12:34 AM

They looked almost identicle so I just thought .... OK, so I failed!

flag4 · 01-29-08, 01:12 PM

i think you may be right - they could well be distances rather than lanes.

it's doing my head in tring to find a map from that era with lanes/routes for merchants,

and thanks for your efforts i have been following them up...

cheers

NealT · 01-29-08, 02:39 PM

That is an awfully clean, clear, and crisp color photo don't you think?

:hmm:

TomcatMVD · 01-29-08, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NealT

That is an awfully clean, clear, and crisp color photo don't you think?

:hmm:

bigboywooly · 01-29-08, 05:00 PM

Methil was the destination port for a lot of North Sea shipping
Methil ?
Just outside Rosyth\Forth of Forth on the SH3 map
HN convoys sailed west from Bergen then south to Methil
ON convoys the reverse

Something like this

Singles left from many ports either side of the North Sea
Of course after a few neutral merc sinkings in the North Sea many neutral mercs sailed in convoy form Bergen under British protection

HN 9A
19 Norwegian, 9 Swedish, 4 Finnish, 4 Estonian, 1 Latvian

Escorts:
HMS Isis (S.O.), Imogen, Kashmir, Tartar and Seal (the latter stationed 3 cables abeam of leading ship of port column).
Air Escort - sighted every day

37 neutral mercs and 4 destroyers and a sub
:rotfl:

What a renown hit that convoy would be

Of course thet werent all like that

Convoy HN.2 of eight British and one Finnish steamer departed Bergen and was joined by destroyers ICARUS, IMOGEN, IMPULSIVE. The convoy was covered by battleships NELSON and RODNEY and accompanying forces which departed Rosyth on the 12th. ICARUS was relieved by destroyer IMPERIAL and then proceeded to Rosyth for boiler cleaning

flag4 · 01-30-08, 02:10 PM

thanks for the map bbw.

01-28-08, 10:29 AM	#1
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	possible north sea shipping lanes map hi hunters have been watching hitlers lost sub about u-869 http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_...o.x=13&Go.y=14 have also been looking for a map of merchant routes or sea lanes in the north sea, and up came this photo of admiral king and when i looked over his left shoulder - hey presto ! there is one ! not very clear, but, if one of you navy guys - or anyone, recognises the map it could be edited for that section - the north sea and we could could have it for a download. it would make a very nice adition to the other maps we use....waddya think ? (feeling very pleased with myself ! ) __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

01-28-08, 10:33 AM	#2
TomcatMVD Weps Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MVD, UY Posts: 359 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Woah! Sharp eye skipper! But, aren't those TOO many routes to hope to have them modelled in SHIII? Dunno, just wondering... Good idea though! Damn good idea. __________________

01-28-08, 10:39 AM	#3
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	hi TomcatMVD i ment, sorry, not as a file/mod download, but something to print off and lamenate, something to physically have and look at, like i have the shipsflag recognition quick ref' lamenated and i use it to play the game, its nice to pick up and hold - a little more immersion if you will !! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

01-28-08, 11:06 AM	#4
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Wow so much for OPSEC! Who ever took that picture musta been a spy. " Uh... A little to your left admiral.. a little more.. " <click> __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

01-28-08, 02:51 PM	#6
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	any of you navy guys have a take on this map - or what it might be called or where i might find an image of it..... .......any takers, anyone ?? i have had a look at navy web sights and map web sights this afternoon and had no luck so far. someone on subsim must know something about maps - i mean the ol' admiral is stood infront of it - its gotta have a name, a code number a serial number - something.... please have a think..... cheers __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

01-28-08, 04:44 PM	#7
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Someone slipped a ten dollar tip into the admiral's breast pocket :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

01-28-08, 08:28 PM	#8
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,693 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	This is what you want: http://www.zazzle.com/detailed_wwii_...00946427330008 A good one for SH4 fans: http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/MacArthur%20Reports/MacArthur%20V1/Images/p_047.jpg __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!* Last edited by Reece; 01-28-08 at 08:50 PM.

01-28-08, 10:42 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The lines in the first linked map appear to be distances, not shipping lanes. Possibly the Admiral's map is the same? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-29-08, 12:34 AM	#10
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,693 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	They looked almost identicle so I just thought .... OK, so I failed! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

01-29-08, 01:12 PM	#11
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	*i think you may be right - they could well be distances rather than lanes.* *it's doing my head in tring to find a map from that era with lanes/routes for merchants,* *and thanks for your efforts i have been following them up...* *cheers* __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

01-29-08, 02:39 PM	#12
NealT Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 2 Meters Below Jimbuna Posts: 1,060 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	That is an awfully clean, clear, and crisp color photo don't you think? :hmm:

01-29-08, 05:00 PM	#14
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Methil was the destination port for a lot of North Sea shipping Methil ? Just outside Rosyth\Forth of Forth on the SH3 map HN convoys sailed west from Bergen then south to Methil ON convoys the reverse Something like this Singles left from many ports either side of the North Sea Of course after a few neutral merc sinkings in the North Sea many neutral mercs sailed in convoy form Bergen under British protection HN 9A 19 Norwegian, 9 Swedish, 4 Finnish, 4 Estonian, 1 Latvian Escorts: HMS Isis (S.O.), Imogen, Kashmir, Tartar and Seal (the latter stationed 3 cables abeam of leading ship of port column). Air Escort - sighted every day 37 neutral mercs and 4 destroyers and a sub :rotfl: What a renown hit that convoy would be Of course thet werent all like that Convoy HN.2 of eight British and one Finnish steamer departed Bergen and was joined by destroyers ICARUS, IMOGEN, IMPULSIVE. The convoy was covered by battleships NELSON and RODNEY and accompanying forces which departed Rosyth on the 12th. ICARUS was relieved by destroyer IMPERIAL and then proceeded to Rosyth for boiler cleaning __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-30-08, 02:10 PM	#15
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	thanks for the map bbw. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut