compass in peri view

Jaeger · 12-06-07, 08:31 AM

i read a german webpage about periscopes given by hitman (thanks for this nice page). german periscopes had a compass. i remember sh2, there was also a compass in the peri view. it would be a nice addition, because when observing a target and plotting its course on the navmap, you neednt to add together the relative bearing from your peri view to your course, you can use the true bearing from your scope view. that would be faster i think. is it possible to add such a compass like in sh2 in the peri view?

greetz, Jaeger

danlisa · 12-06-07, 09:10 AM

:hmm: Might have inadvertantly done that for you.

Will need to check.

Edit - Nope. At least I think not. You want a compass added to the periscope showing the bearing of the view/scope. Is that right?

So if the boat is heading 000 and your scope is viewing 090, you want the compass to show 090.

Jaeger · 12-06-07, 09:36 AM

yes, and if i am looking to 350 and my course is 80, i want to read 70 degree in my periscope. it is a compass which shows the true north bearing directly in the ocularview. this wont be possible??? its a pity, because the kaleuns in ww2 had it...

Ping Panther · 12-06-07, 11:14 AM

I'm fairly sure that there was this dual compass (map & peri. view bearings displayed) in the GUI of SH2.
I figured this was removed in SH3 for more historical realism & challenge. Maybe not?

12-06-07, 12:28 PM

I don`t think its hard to make, the question is how to make it more or less right

Jaeger · 12-06-07, 01:31 PM

this page deals with periscope equipment of german ww2 boats. they talk about a "peileinrichtung", which showed the true bearing in the ocular view.

http://www.uboot995.homepage.t-onlin..._sehrohre.html

if it is technically possible, why not implement this feature? why not copying the sh2 pattern?

Ping Panther · 12-06-07, 03:00 PM

That's what I'm talking about.

Thanks for finding that SH2 screen-shot, Jaeger!

looney · 12-06-07, 03:44 PM

Why would that be usefull? You need to shoot a torpedo from your bout and not from true north calculated. I never use true north.

joegrundman · 12-06-07, 08:12 PM

It's still useful for plotting purposes. The Angriffscheibe, or attack disk, available with the U-jagd tools or the OLC-GUI which incorporates those tools, enables an easy conversion from relative bearing to true bearing.

When I was working on the U-jagd tools, i looked into the possiblity of modifying the bearing display to include the true periscope bearing, as well as relative bearing and additionally relative bearing from straight ahead in terms of Starboard and Port.

It proved difficult to change the bearing display as it has lots of hardcoded limitations, although i have since then thought of a workaround that would show the latter two displays, but not the compass bearing, which may well be incorporated into U-jagd 1.3.

If anyone has any good ideas...

12-07-07, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joegrundman

It's still useful for plotting purposes. The Angriffscheibe, or attack disk, available with the U-jagd tools or the OLC-GUI which incorporates those tools, enables an easy conversion from relative bearing to true bearing.

When I was working on the U-jagd tools, i looked into the possiblity of modifying the bearing display to include the true periscope bearing, as well as relative bearing and additionally relative bearing from straight ahead in terms of Starboard and Port.

It proved difficult to change the bearing display as it has lots of hardcoded limitations, although i have since then thought of a workaround that would show the latter two displays, but not the compass bearing, which may well be incorporated into U-jagd 1.3.

If anyone has any good ideas...

I have an idea for bearing display, i `am now working on Observation scope affter i finish i will post some screeshot

Jaeger · 12-07-07, 12:32 PM

very nice and big thanks for that try, i hope you get it. its a small step for more reality.

Ping Panther · 12-07-07, 01:02 PM

Does anyone have an actual image from inside a U-Boat for this to meet up with accurate periscopes of the time?

I also remember now that SH2 had this dual compass bearing on a collar-ring display at the UZO station.

Hitman · 12-07-07, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Does anyone have an actual image from inside a U-Boat for this to meet up with accurate periscopes of the time?

I also remember now that SH2 had this dual compass bearing on a collar-ring display at the UZO station.

The second drawing shows the upper part of the field of view the commander had when pushing his eye against the rubber cushion of the ocular.

12-07-07, 02:53 PM

Not so good

, and look like the menu_1024_768.ini is useles in some point

Take a look

Damn

Jaeger · 12-09-07, 03:40 PM

hi dimitrius, are there any news? are you still at work?

Jaeger

12-06-07, 08:31 AM	#1
Jaeger Chief Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 316 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	compass in peri view i read a german webpage about periscopes given by hitman (thanks for this nice page). german periscopes had a compass. i remember sh2, there was also a compass in the peri view. it would be a nice addition, because when observing a target and plotting its course on the navmap, you neednt to add together the relative bearing from your peri view to your course, you can use the true bearing from your scope view. that would be faster i think. is it possible to add such a compass like in sh2 in the peri view? greetz, Jaeger

12-06-07, 09:10 AM	#2
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	:hmm: Might have inadvertantly done that for you. Will need to check. Edit - Nope. At least I think not. You want a compass added to the periscope showing the bearing of the view/scope. Is that right? So if the boat is heading 000 and your scope is viewing 090, you want the compass to show 090. __________________

12-06-07, 08:12 PM	#9
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	It's still useful for plotting purposes. The Angriffscheibe, or attack disk, available with the U-jagd tools or the OLC-GUI which incorporates those tools, enables an easy conversion from relative bearing to true bearing. When I was working on the U-jagd tools, i looked into the possiblity of modifying the bearing display to include the true periscope bearing, as well as relative bearing and additionally relative bearing from straight ahead in terms of Starboard and Port. It proved difficult to change the bearing display as it has lots of hardcoded limitations, although i have since then thought of a workaround that would show the latter two displays, but not the compass bearing, which may well be incorporated into U-jagd 1.3. If anyone has any good ideas... __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

12-06-07, 09:36 AM	#3
Jaeger Chief Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 316 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	yes, and if i am looking to 350 and my course is 80, i want to read 70 degree in my periscope. it is a compass which shows the true north bearing directly in the ocularview. this wont be possible??? its a pity, because the kaleuns in ww2 had it...

12-06-07, 11:14 AM	#4
Ping Panther Lieutenant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: the armpit of the Mid-Atlantic / Quadrant CA42 Posts: 262 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I'm fairly sure that there was this dual compass (map & peri. view bearings displayed) in the GUI of SH2. I figured this was removed in SH3 for more historical realism & challenge. Maybe not?

12-06-07, 12:28 PM	#5
Dimitrius07 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I don`t think its hard to make, the question is how to make it more or less right

12-06-07, 01:31 PM	#6
Jaeger Chief Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 316 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	this page deals with periscope equipment of german ww2 boats. they talk about a "peileinrichtung", which showed the true bearing in the ocular view. http://www.uboot995.homepage.t-onlin..._sehrohre.html if it is technically possible, why not implement this feature? why not copying the sh2 pattern?

12-06-07, 03:00 PM	#7
Ping Panther Lieutenant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: the armpit of the Mid-Atlantic / Quadrant CA42 Posts: 262 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	That's what I'm talking about. Thanks for finding that SH2 screen-shot, Jaeger!

12-06-07, 03:44 PM	#8
looney Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sneek, The Netherlands Posts: 635 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Why would that be usefull? You need to shoot a torpedo from your bout and not from true north calculated. I never use true north.

12-07-07, 12:32 PM	#11
Jaeger Chief Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 316 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	very nice and big thanks for that try, i hope you get it. its a small step for more reality.

12-07-07, 01:02 PM	#12
Ping Panther Lieutenant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: the armpit of the Mid-Atlantic / Quadrant CA42 Posts: 262 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Does anyone have an actual image from inside a U-Boat for this to meet up with accurate periscopes of the time? I also remember now that SH2 had this dual compass bearing on a collar-ring display at the UZO station.

12-07-07, 02:53 PM	#14
Dimitrius07 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Not so good , and look like the menu_1024_768.ini is useles in some point Take a look Damn

12-09-07, 03:40 PM	#15
Jaeger Chief Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 316 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	hi dimitrius, are there any news? are you still at work? Jaeger