Personal statement !

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by heartc

......you need to strike a deal with Ubisoft, make your mod copyrighted material and sell it.

That will never happen. GWX was made by the people, for the people. END OF. Besides, I don't think Kpt.Lehmann wants the TAX man getting too greedy.:rotfl:

That said!

ENOUGH Do not let this thread go down the modding ethics/credits route, we have a specific thread for that.

This thread started with a respected member's personal view of the situation around here and a statement of his feelings. JC, I salute you. You wear your heart on your sleeve and you are not affraid to speak your mind. I wish more people here could articulate their feelings aswell as you. I also agree 110% with you.

I too, however, ask you to reconsider your decision. A dead man can't fight. You bring many wonderful things to this community and you will be sorely missed if you leave.

On the subject of support, this community is quick to pat joe bloggs on the back for a mod which improves their enjoyment of SH3 but is very slow in rallying when the chips are down. Regardless of whether you mod, play or lurk, you have an opinion, vote & a voice, USE THEM.

Now, my last words go to KL.

Sir, you are fully supported by myself and many silent others & I know it is an immense struggle for you to devote your time with these annoyances when you have better things to be doing. You are a one man army but your troops are beside you. You/we may be outnumbered but the values that you represent & defend will see us through. It is a nessecary evil that we must endure to see this community remain the best around. Be strong and stay your course, this squall will pass.

[Beltza]

JCWolf.

(You know my english is terrible, sorry)

We need people like you, all the community needs it. Subsim is a giant and is very difficult to maneuver. The only way fo all of us is to concentrate in our work, and not to watch what others are doing incorrectly.

But I'm agree with you. Neal and subsim would protect and prioritize what is from long time the real capital of subsim.

Un afectuoso saludo y mucho ánimo.

[Mancuso24]

JCWolf,

Works like GWX are the pillar of our communities and hundreds of your generous hours before the screen are the fuel that bring the sims to new quality levels. That must be understood by any staff. You -the original modders- are the ACE, those who can make things that look like magic for the rest of us. If you fall we all fall so in the 24th Flotilla we take care of our modders and make them feel as comfortable as we can, 'cause we actually appreciate you and your work, absolutely.

Do what you need to do to feel better for better times will come for sure.

[Backman]

We need you, JCWolf. Subsim needs you, GWX developers, You´ve reached a higher level in modding and without asking for anything in excahange. This is greatness...

The 24th Flotilla supports, guys.

Un abrazo, JCWolf. A ti y a todos quienes habeís convertido SH3 en lo que es hoy.

[fumblyoldcarpenter]

Originally Posted by Backman

We need you, JCWolf. Subsim needs you, GWX developers, You´ve reached a higher level in modding and without asking for anything in excahange. This is greatness...

jcwolf, I have seen your work, awsome stuff, great web-site as well GWX folks, great supermod. We need to support you jcwolf, and future modders as well. Down the road I see a SH4 supermod as well. It may very well be the work of new folks trying to get the most out of that game.

Only as a united community can we make the gaming experience and this site the best it can be. Hopefully you will stay jcwolf

fumbly

[ReallyDedPoet]

Stick around jcwolf, we need you

RDP

[JCWolf]

Yea guys, thanks a lot for the supporting words,
but this is the moment I have choosen to make
my move, and I do love this game and my work
and also this place, and cause of that and the
Apathy from the Sub Sim work group say, they
do not care, or say they are leting things follow
its course, or say they want new blood, ok the
smartes Commercial Manager knows that moving
ahead in a controled movement is the key to a
controled victory, so what I am saying is in fact
simple, SS haves to generate something in order
to keep it moving but if it generates just that
something and desregardes all the rest , the final
result will be as bad as if didn't generated any
primary incom...

This is as far as for me the rong road to go,
and by far not the same road SS was when I
got in the Sub, so everything that might be
left is to motivate your fellow crew buddys and
if not possible move to a new boat in the next
port...

I understand what motivates a modder or a new
one but I also understand what it would bring
is moral down or is will to go on creating new mods...

I salute you all that come in this thread and have
The B.... to say what its rong in your eyes and
speack whats in your harte....

If someone doesn't acept that, all I have to say
is realy simple and directed to those....

What then will you do when happends to you???!!!

[vasmann]

Originally Posted by jcwolf

Yea guys, thanks a lot for the supporting words,
but this is the moment I have choosen to make
my move, and I do love this game and my work
and also this place, and cause of that and the
Apathy from the Sub Sim work group say, they
do not care, or say they are leting things follow
its course, or say they want new blood, ok the
smartes Commercial Manager knows that moving
ahead in a controled movement is the key to a
controled victory, so what I am saying is in fact
simple, SS haves to generate something in order
to keep it moving but if it generates just that
something and desregardes all the rest , the final
result will be as bad as if didn't generated any
primary incom...

This is as far as for me the rong road to go,
and by far not the same road SS was when I
got in the Sub, so everything that might be
left is to motivate your fellow crew buddys and
if not possible move to a new boat in the next
port...

I understand what motivates a modder or a new
one but I also understand what it would bring
is moral down or is will to go on creating new mods...

I salute you all that come in this thread and have
The B.... to say what its rong in your eyes and
speack whats in your harte....

If someone doesn't acept that, all I have to say
is realy simple and directed to those....

What then will you do when happends to you???!!!

Hello there.
Please. Tell me what happend???? I don't understand why such great modder like you want quit. Don't do that, please. We need you.
Thank you.

[Chock]

I'll be sorry to see you go, as I would any talented and dedicated modder, and I really don't think you should, but I do think that your statement is a touch on the 'drama queen' side if I'm honest - you wanted honesty, right?

nobody really wants to get wet and jump into the Conning Tower and say or have the B.... to say ...Hey KL is right!

Have you considered that maybe KL isn't right? after all, we are talking about opinions here.

As it happens, I agree with your opinion, but in light of how much flak people take for not agreeing with that position, to me it seems it requires more 'balls' to be on the side that don't think that. You and I may not agree with them, but I at least admire the fact that they take a stance on their position regardless of the personal attacks they've had to endure on many threads. Even if I don't admire their methodology.

If you go, there is one less person around that supports your stance, so if you have been upset and you let that get to you, your leaving will only mean more upset for those who are like you, but will no longer have you around to support them.

As I've got older, I've learned that letting things like this upset you is not worth the hassle, and you should be aware that for anyone who goes against the grain and is less than honest in their ways, if they are seeking glory, praise and recognition, they'll ultimately fail in their aims, as the truth will always out. So why get upset?

Stay in the conning tower, or maybe there'll only be Bernard (or his modding equivalent) left at the con, and you know what that means...

Wishing you'd stick around - Chock

[poor sailor]

Sorry to hear that you must to leave this great community. Don't leave,we need your great modding here!

[Hitman]

JCwolf,

I can understand well a part of your feelings. But I think it is a fair point to say that subsim forums are not intended be used as a plagiarism prosecutor. This is your home, same as many people's, but it is not a court. You will receive support and encouragement as well as recognizement from the community if your mods get stolen and/or copied, but pretending that the subsim staff gets officially involved in continuous prosecution of cheat-modders is not reasonable. And besides, a guy can have a nick here and behave properly while having another nick elsewhere and go around copying things and offering them in other communities. What would be the next step? Should then Neal Stevens ask personally the webmasters or moderators of those webs to shut the guy because he is copying a mod by a subsim member? What if they are then included by someone a la X1 in a commercial DVD? Does Neal then go and sue them in the real courts?

One thing must be very clear to you: The fact that subsim host these forums and appreciates your work and the work from many modders does not mean it shall get officially and permanently involved in prosecution or punishment of such actions, nor does it mean doing so is letting you down. The community has a gratitude debt with you and the GWX team, same as with many other modders. But Subsim.com is not in debt with you or the GWX team personally, instead it is quite the opposite. We all are in debt with subsim.com for hosting these forums and providing such a blossoming environment for us all, at a cost that exceeds hundreds of dollars a month and much more hundreds of hours of Neal's spare time.

Subsim.com has no obligation to enforce modder's ethic codes, and no one shall feel let down not to receive such support from subsim.com. Period.

Stay here, we all apreciate your work.

Well I have to give you that the SubSim has been going downhill ever since the SHIV was released and the new people started to pour in.

I heard those exact words long ago in the SH2 forum, when SH3 appeared. Though you wasn't yet there to say them

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I heard those exact words long ago in the SH2 forum, when SH3 appeared. Though you wasn't yet there to say them

Yeh, well it takes time for things to settle down to the normal routine as it was pre-SHIV. I'd say only 40-50% of the people who joined here when SHIV came, will stay active at SS, the rest will get bored with SHIV or find another game that suits them better and leave.

Honesty......mmmmmMMM...okay, whats all the fuss about ? Mods are great, they really enhance the overall game, and in the case of SHIV actually fix the bloody thing. But a mod is a mod, its a modification that modifies or improves something. The author of the mod should surely get the credit they deserve but lets not get too emotional about it....its just a mod for a game. It has a certain shelf life. Sure some people are bound to use it withough knowing who wrote it, some people are bound to nick bits of it and use it in a new mod, some people will enhance it, some people will moan that it breaks their game. Who cares really ? When its first release to the community the author will get the credit they deserve from notable members of the community, after that its a bit of a free for all because thats the nature of the beast i'm afraid.

Seriously, I really can't understand the level of emotion attached to these mods, they're not living entities. If I produce a mod I do so because something annoys me and needs modding. If I release it to a community then I do so knowing that it will eventually get diluted and flushed down the toilet. I don't need any recognition, if you like it then use it, if not then dont.

I'm sure i'm gonna get flamed here but you asked for honesty and thats exactly what i'm doing. NVDRIFTER recently left this community, he's a great guy like REECE and JCWOLF. His concern was the nature of recent posts in this community. Sure some people's posts are, well, crap and inflamatory, but they're just the dribblings of faceless people. Just chose to ignore them. Any long term community member can easily recognise who are worthy posters and who are not, just filter the trash out.

Again, i'm sorry if i'm being a bit blunt here but this is a simple subsim community and thats all, its not some embodyment of fundamental democratic processes. Its a community of people from all walks of life whoc are interested in subs, who like to play sub games and thats about the size of it.

Less emotion and more modding please.

[vasmann]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

Honesty......mmmmmMMM...okay, whats all the fuss about ? Mods are great, they really enhance the overall game, and in the case of SHIV actually fix the bloody thing. But a mod is a mod, its a modification that modifies or improves something. The author of the mod should surely get the credit they deserve but lets not get too emotional about it....its just a mod for a game. It has a certain shelf life. Sure some people are bound to use it withough knowing who wrote it, some people are bound to nick bits of it and use it in a new mod, some people will enhance it, some people will moan that it breaks their game. Who cares really ? When its first release to the community the author will get the credit they deserve from notable members of the community, after that its a bit of a free for all because thats the nature of the beast i'm afraid.

Seriously, I really can't understand the level of emotion attached to these mods, they're not living entities. If I produce a mod I do so because something annoys me and needs modding. If I release it to a community then I do so knowing that it will eventually get diluted and flushed down the toilet. I don't need any recognition, if you like it then use it, if not then dont.

I'm sure i'm gonna get flamed here but you asked for honesty and thats exactly what i'm doing. NVDRIFTER recently left this community, he's a great guy like REECE and JCWOLF. His concern was the nature of recent posts in this community. Sure some people's posts are, well, crap and inflamatory, but they're just the dribblings of faceless people. Just chose to ignore them. Any long term community member can easily recognise who are worthy posters and who are not, just filter the trash out.

Again, i'm sorry if i'm being a bit blunt here but this is a simple subsim community and thats all, its not some embodyment of fundamental democratic processes. Its a community of people from all walks of life whoc are interested in subs, who like to play sub games and thats about the size of it.

Less emotion and more modding please.

Well, I can tell some thing :-), I am not modder, but I understand that for modder his mod it is not "just mod", this is:
- it's own spent time, this the time he/she could spend for his own life,
- this is his own thaughts and his point of view on the game, and we should to honor that
- this is the job he/she made to make OUR gaming fun and we should honor that.

Thank you modders for your great work. Shame on modders that don't credit and just steal other's work.

[Dowly]

When you spend ~2yrs of your free time to make 'just a mod', you tend to get a bit emotional over it.

And another thing that I'm ticked off is that first we got huge support from the community, but now people are trying to make us the bad guy and stab us in the back whenever they can.