*** Patch 1.2 info from Ubisoft ***

[Audie]

Originally Posted by USS_shipmaster

But You dont respect customers LAWFULL wishes to make chronometer works (one way or another , temporary solving the problem then finally).
THANK YOU FOR smoki... CODING

Huh?

Lawful?

Please elaborate.

[BlackSpot]

Originally Posted by audie

Huh?

Lawful?

Please elaborate.

Don't encourage. I don't want to know.

[USS_shipmaster]

read : legal wishes

[Skweetis]

Woohoo!

Now I get to see the forums cluttered with bitching and moaning about what this patch doesn't fix, rather than posts bashing the devs for not having the patch out yet.

I know if I was a developer, I would be so motivated by all the crap I see when I come here. In fact, nothing makes me work harder than people yelling how I can't get anything right, demanding the highest quality in the shortest amount of time, blah blah blah.

Heck, when I'm sifting through the forums looking for new bugs, nothing makes my job easier than having to sift through the same issues reposted that has been discussed 2 weeks ago, and rehashed to no end, ad nausium.

The only thing I really hope for, is that I can instill in my son better manners, as sense of common courtesy and in the least, the simple ability to use "Please and Thank You", than I have seen displayed here since the release of SH4 (and actually plagues just about every game release for at least a couple months.)

/End Rant


Now that I have that off my chest:

Thank you to the devs for your hard work thus far. While I understand that not everything can be fit into a patch in a matter of a few short weeks, I hope some of the responses from some people here have not put you off, there are those of us who do appreciate your time and effort.

[USS_shipmaster]

Originally Posted by Jas451

Have to agree. The chronometer not working is a major issue. FSAA and the likes is just eye candy. If not listed in the fix then may not be able to be fixed even though SH4 being built on SH3.

its very simple to make a speed sent to TDC. with 10 seconds taken on chronometer +-15% of real target speed, with 15 seconds -+12% of real TS with 30s -+10% etc and finally 3 min15s 100%

I can write proper function on C/ C++ or VB. its simple. Its just one function takes value from another one, calculate " TDC target speed" and send it to TDC function- thats all. We will have enough fan with accurate distance measuring and AOB :-). PLS MAKE speed calculation easy XXX. Life is complecated enough :-)
I can understand time pressure I can understand that you have enough headache!!!
Take a shot oh brandy, Henessy XO and make chronometer works as it was promised in game manual (one way or another , temporary solving the problem then finally).
THANK YOU FOR smoki... CODING
or DEV / UBi can publish the code and community will do their job. Of course they cant

[Audie]

Good Gracious Dude!
My eyes are bleeding....

Be grateful for what you have and appreciate the work the Devs are doing.
The thing isn't even here yet and already we have complaints.

Must we continue this devolution into a "Shooter" community?

For crap sakes - THIS ISN'T HALO!

[USS_shipmaster]

What kind of language I can use to make THEM notice major bug.
I told you guys i know how hard is programmer's job in development.
I just waiting for honest open answer about MAJOR BUG!!!!!
Will they fix it or not? Nobody will publlish the code to let the community fix it.
Then it is still devs job.
and guys fixing some graphic bugs and leaving major gameplay chronometer bug?
I have it but where my 50 bucks? in UBI's owner pockets!

Originally Posted by DJSatane

Yea and I can also guesstimate too, but thats not the point. Point is if we could get this feature to work in 1.2, then you could also get pretty good speed estimation in much less time. In any case, we all know there are ways to workaround everything but we talking here about fixing a key feature of the game in manual TDC.

A much less cumbersome method (and faster i might add) is to use Kim Ronhoff's Course Calculator Mark 4B. With that one you can get the speed of a target in 10 sec's if you have AOB (within a reasonable range) and your own speed. Its a really cool way of getting it and a lot more realistic as well. I can understand that the chronometer needs to be fixed for those playing with lesser realistic settings, but in the real boats there were no such magic "speedfinder" - they had to use the available things, namely - Plotting or Calculating. To me there are three ways

Plotting with the 3 min rule (Imperial measurement, only meters are 3:15)

Calculating via measured time over LOS (for 90 AOB shots)

Calculating via the Course Calculator (best for shots around 45 AOB)

To me this works (as long as i stay on the left side of the target untill 1.2 is out ) pretty well. Hits are around 70% of shots and from reading the book Silent Service that i'm pretty sure that is well over avarage. Hell some skippers sailed 9000nm shot 24 torpedoes and credited nothing......THAT is when you have something to complain about..

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by Mav87th

I can understand that the chronometer needs to be fixed for those playing with lesser realistic settings, but in the real boats there were no such magic "speedfinder" - they had to use the available things, namely - Plotting or Calculating.

Too many people look at the chronomoter as a black & white issue, that is, as some sort of magic tool that doesn't exist in reality. Rather, the chronometer should be seen as an abstraction - when you've locked on to the target and started the timer, in essence you've called out the range and bearing to your plotting officer and are telling him to estimate the target's speed once you've stopped the timer. Seen that way, the chronomter isn't a "magic button" only suitable for less-realistic settings.

Now yes, I think the ten-second rule should be seen as an absolute minimum. The longer I time the target (at least 30 seconds), the more accurate the speed estimate should be. What's wrong with that?

[USS_shipmaster]

Originally Posted by audie

Good Gracious Dude!
My eyes are bleeding....

Be grateful for what you have and appreciate the work the Devs are doing.
The thing isn't even here yet and already we have complaints.

Must we continue this devolution into a "Shooter" community?

For crap sakes - THIS ISN'T HALO!

" I hate your opinion, but I ll give up my life for your right to say it" Volteur
Shooter? No Way. Its too virtual. but i prefer that duel instutute to be alive.
It s not personal. :-) I was practicing fencing for a while, and I m not a bad shooter if i dont forget my glasses :-)
"Wolf told sheep: sheep lets have an economical agreement: i will never eat your grass and in exchange you will give me your meat"
last quote is about UBI (and not only UBI) relationship with customers.

[USS_shipmaster]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Too many people look at the chronomoter as a black & white issue, that is, as some sort of magic tool that doesn't exist in reality.

Totally agree :-) LukeFF but from other point of view to make a realism even more real we have to play SH4 in bathroom sitting in Tube full of water and turn on shower ( according weather report)
Its just a joke

[Drokkon]

Luke is right. The chronometer is not a magic button. It is the way information is sent to the navigator to check the targets speed. I'm sure when a capt gave the readings he didn't run to the nav table to do the calculations. He used that time to do a 360 with the scope to insure he wasn't spotted by escorts. By the time he lowers the scope I bet he wants a answer on the estimated speed of the contact.

This is very important and I feel the dev team should get this in this patch. This is one of the things along with crew deaths that people wanted addressed asap.

[USS_shipmaster]

Absolutely agree with you. Target speed "cheat" / chronometer or whatever is necessary to play this game.
Otherwise I m a captain, a weapon offices, and a navigator at the moment when i am attacking or I am under attack.
when several dd are around you and closing and you must to eliminate 1 of them therefore you need target speed approximate value in 10 s

[Jungman]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Too many people look at the chronomoter as a black & white issue, that is, as some sort of magic tool that doesn't exist in reality. Rather, the chronometer should be seen as an abstraction - when you've locked on to the target and started the timer, in essence you've called out the range and bearing to your plotting officer and are telling him to estimate the target's speed once you've stopped the timer. Seen that way, the chronomter isn't a "magic button" only suitable for less-realistic settings.

Now yes, I think the ten-second rule should be seen as an absolute minimum. The longer I time the target (at least 30 seconds), the more accurate the speed estimate should be. What's wrong with that?

I agree. In fact, I NEVER used the chronometer in SH3 and yet to care at all in SH4

I am so glad they implemented the missing sounds in the game. I want to hear the sub pipe breaking and crew talking to me if I am taking damage! I cannot see this while I am at the scope.

I think they fixed alot with this patch within a small amount of time!

They will have more fixes, it is not like the last patch. As for speed, most up spooked merchants travel at the same speed just like Sh3 unless that was changed. I think NYGM made it random speeds in the campaign scripts?

They mention the clock, Neal said so much, I guarantee you the devs will fix it ASAP for those who must have it.

If I had a DD coming at me, well, I would be luck to guess point and shoot a torpedo (maybe a lucky Mark 27) and get diving! You are not a battleship.

Another nice method for speed is to shadow your target from a distance parallel course, best at night, match his speed you will be the same, and you know his course. Jump ahead of the convoy and wait for them already to go.

[KING111]

What’s wrong with you people in here?
Are you all stupid or what
If any of you went out and brought anything
Else and half of it did not work
You would soon take it back
But no you all go on about the poor devs working so hard
And could they plz put this right and that right
The game should have been working before it went in to the shops
Now they have got your money they don’t give a 5456”$^”$&”
So they will make 3 or 4 patch’s and all you stupid people in here
Will say how great they are and then they will make another half made game
And call it SH5 in a year or so and they will get your money again