Firearms yes or no

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

...THen you get to real life where Philly cops shot a suspect 32 times over about 20 minutes and he still was returning fire like nothing was wrong!

That was New Jersey. Each cop fired two full magazines into a guy sitting in a car. I think he lived, too.

Infection/blood loss. Even the wild west super dooper gunfighter died from the infection or blood loss which ensued not from the wound inflicted by the bullet. These people did not die instantly.

An example is the US Civil War photos from Matthew Brady. Discheveled clothing wasn't because these folks were sloppy. They lived beyond the bullet entry and knew that if they were able to extract the bullet their chance of survival increased substantialy.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

That was New Jersey. Each cop fired two full magazines into a guy sitting in a car. I think he lived, too.

I heard he died - The 33rd shot got him in the juggler and he was finished after that.

[Sailor Steve]

Since we're telling stories...

1) Off-duty cop, carries good old M1911 .45 in an ankle-holster. Guy robs liquor store, runs straight toward cop. Cop pulls gun and yells "Halt"! Perp keeps coming. Cop shoots perp right between the eyes. Perp sits down, blinks a couple of times, then jumps up and runs the other way. Cop is so stunned he doesn't shoot again. Best anybody can figure out is the bullet hit the guy's forhead at just the right angle to snap his head back and glance off the skull.

2) Guy robs convenience store with .22 pistol, then flees. Cops find him dead in an alley a few blocks away. It seems he stuck the pistol in his pants and as he was running it went off, discharging into his thigh and penetrating the artery. Three blocks was how far he got before he bled out.

Both stories are true, both told years ago by the late Colonel Jeff Cooper in the pages of Guns & Ammo magazine.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Since we're telling stories...

1) Off-duty cop, carries good old M1911 .45 in an ankle-holster. Guy robs liquor store, runs straight toward cop. Cop pulls gun and yells "Halt"! Perp keeps coming. Cop shoots perp right between the eyes. Perp sits down, blinks a couple of times, then jumps up and runs the other way. Cop is so stunned he doesn't shoot again. Best anybody can figure out is the bullet hit the guy's forhead at just the right angle to snap his head back and glance off the skull.


Both stories are true, both told years ago by the late Colonel Jeff Cooper in the pages of Guns & Ammo magazine.

With the kenetic energy of a .45, it is hard to imagine. Cops aim must have been way off to the point where the shot barely grazed him I am guessing.

-S

PS. I love Jeff Cooper. He has got to be the most level headed guy on the face of the planet. Seen almost all of it, and he is intelligent to the point where he is able to make sense out of the unsensable. They still write the same commentaries by the way, minus Jeff Cooper of course - http://dvc.org.uk/jeff/

[Bertgang]

For the very little dangers I had until now, martial arts were really fine.

Two critical situations were solved just by a well aimed, classical, fist; two more by basic judo; never used the kicks learned by taekwondo practice.

Once I had fear of a sort of vengeance, and maybe I could have aimed the approaching man with a revolver, if never I had it with me; not having a weapon, I spared me an idiot action, as my opponent just wanted to speak.

[U-533]

I say "Sidearms for all".

and

One bullet, or as many as it takes, to stop an attacker or intruder is cheaper than feeding it the rest of it's life.

I prefer two shots to the chest area. A tried and true method of bringing down an intruder or attacker or what ever else. This is how most officers of the law are trained.

I have witnessed taking 5 shots to bring down a rather large coked up male.

Well ...what ever your preferences be in protecting you and your loved ones, I hope and pray you never are put in a situation to make such a choice.

[Platapus]

[quote=kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by waste gate

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Mr Kung fu lee, Mr Street fighter or the pit fighter aint got a chance against a arrogant basta*d with a loaded shotty.

As my martial arts instructor told us "the fastest hands can not stop the slowest bullet"

[JetSnake]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

I am not a martial artist. I have never bothered learning a fighting art, because I have never wanted to, as I don't feel I have any need to use it, nor do I wish to fight. I know you are going to say, what would I do, an intruder in my home, etc etc... I would get out any which way I could or if I was cornered, I would co-operate with the burgler any way he wanted, he is a lot more dangerous if you try to stop him, if you don't, then he is less dangerous. A burgler is there to steal things, therefore, if you allow him to steal, statistically speaking the risk is vastly reduced.

I have tried to answer your questions, but all you do is ask me more again, its like my answers are not registering. You do not have the right to kill people. If you do kill someone then you deserve to be punished for it, self-defence or not. As for the mugger thing, I certainly would not kill the mugger, if I had the ability to kill him (through any means) then chances are I would also have the capability to render him incapacitated till the authorities arrive.

Some of you here frighten me, I will be honest you genuinely scare me with your attitudes, you come over as being so trigger happy and like a bunch of wild west throwbacks. Its almost like you are looking for excuses to kill someone.

Really, how old are you?

Originally Posted by JetSnake

Really, how old are you?

Ol' enough to be your grandma...:rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by GakunGak

Ol' enough to be your grandma...:rotfl:

I don't think so - I sense intelligence, but a slight lack of wisdom suggesting a younger age.

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I don't think so - I sense intelligence, but a slight lack of wisdom suggesting a younger age.

Just so she does not want to kill anybody [M2] does not mena that she has not no wisdom... That's crap, sorry, but my opinion, I'm being honest...
What, IS BUSH WISE? Hitler? Stalin? Tito? All those political f*cks are retarded ******* ****** *********!!!!
So, my conclusion, Penelope_Grey has inteligence AND wisdom to a level I admire her! And old enough to be a woman herself... You go, Grey!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by GakunGak

ust so she does not want to kill anybody [M2] does not mena that she has not no wisdom... That's crap, sorry, but my opinion, I'm being honest...
What, IS BUSH WISE? Hitler? Stalin? Tito? All those political f*cks are retarded ******* ****** *********!!!!
So, my conclusion, Penelope_Grey has inteligence AND wisdom to a level I admire her! And old enough to be a woman herself... You go, Grey!

Huh? You don't make any sense.

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Huh? You don't make any sense.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Agreed.

Let me rephrase that: One is not wize if he kills a man. A wise man would always find a way to avoid conflict...

P.S. Sorry for writing errors, my keyboard's busted....