Anti sonar coating - any good?

AndyW · 03-20-07, 10:51 AM

Hey quick question: IIRC, historically the German attempts to coat their u-boats with rubber or similar to absorb enemy ASDIC ("Alberich") and radar ("Tarnmatte") was a failure.

Is this likewise modelled in SH III, i.e. making the investment into anti sonar coating (about 5,000 renown, IIRC) just as "profitable" as investing into Third Reich war bonds in late 1944?

Talking about sheer luxury: Even if it's a useless waste of renown, how does your boat look like in the game after fitting it with ALBERICH or TARNMATTE? Is it shown plastered with the coating? Never tried this, so I have to ask.

Thanks & Cheers,
AndyW

Mooncatt · 03-20-07, 11:07 AM

i think it does have an effect but it doesnt make a huge difference. i managed to get it once when i was having a good career.

melnibonian · 03-20-07, 11:08 AM

Every little helps. Get the coating, go deep and pray

GoldenRivet · 03-20-07, 11:49 AM

The USS Texas sub has a similar coating i think

MRV · 03-20-07, 12:12 PM

Was the Alberich coating the same foamed-plastic thing that came to use on the russian spy-submarine that is now a museum in Hamburg, Germany???

This coating was very effective indeed, from its commission in 1973 till 2002 that submarine never was detected.

GT182 · 03-20-07, 12:17 PM

Worth every bit of renoun it costs you. And helps keep those barnicals off too.

And get tha decoys asap too. They help a great deal also.

Brag · 03-20-07, 02:57 PM

I had it in my stock career. It helped a lot.

irish1958 · 03-20-07, 05:07 PM

Yes

AndyW · 03-21-07, 05:59 AM

Thanks for the replies. Need a snorkle most badly now (April 1944), but after that I'm saving for an anti sub coating, let's see If I will see that coming.

Cheers,
AndyW

emtmedic005 · 03-21-07, 03:20 PM

Get the coating but conduct evasive moves as if you didnt have the coating.

My thought is that it doesnt work to well.

Back in WW2, BDU was prolly scrambling to find something to combat the new sonar and radar the Allies had. IT prolly had more Psychilogical effects on crew morale. Just think a enlisted man finds out his sub has a new Anti-Sonar coating, he will "forget" about worrying to much and do his job better.

Jimbuna · 03-21-07, 03:23 PM

IIRC it adds between 10 and 20% off the chances of you being detected

Paajtor · 03-21-07, 07:02 PM

You'll notice the difference, if you have the stealth-icon enabled.

With the coating present, there will be moments when the icon flashes from green to light-orange, just briefly...then maybe a 2nd time...but return to green again, if you perform the correct evasive procedures.
Or not, lol.
There's a stroke of luck involved.

Without the coating, the icon will flash to orange, green, orange, orange, red, orange, red, red, red, red, red, red, red...enfin, you know the drill.

03-20-07, 10:51 AM	#1
AndyW Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 133 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Anti sonar coating - any good? Hey quick question: IIRC, historically the German attempts to coat their u-boats with rubber or similar to absorb enemy ASDIC ("Alberich") and radar ("Tarnmatte") was a failure. Is this likewise modelled in SH III, i.e. making the investment into anti sonar coating (about 5,000 renown, IIRC) just as "profitable" as investing into Third Reich war bonds in late 1944? Talking about sheer luxury: Even if it's a useless waste of renown, how does your boat look like in the game after fitting it with ALBERICH or TARNMATTE? Is it shown plastered with the coating? Never tried this, so I have to ask. Thanks & Cheers, AndyW __________________ currently U-200 (Type IXD2) Ltn.z.See Schonder, 2nd patrol (July 1943) [SH3 1.4b + GWX 2.1 @ 90% realism + U-Jagdtools + LRT + Seadbed Repair, DiD] TOTAL: 11 careers, 47 patrols, 1,033 days at sea, 633,585 tons sunk

03-20-07, 11:07 AM	#2
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	i think it does have an effect but it doesnt make a huge difference. i managed to get it once when i was having a good career. __________________

03-20-07, 11:08 AM	#3
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Every little helps. Get the coating, go deep and pray __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

03-20-07, 12:17 PM	#6
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Worth every bit of renoun it costs you. And helps keep those barnicals off too. And get tha decoys asap too. They help a great deal also. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

03-20-07, 02:57 PM	#7
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I had it in my stock career. It helped a lot. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

03-20-07, 11:49 AM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	The USS Texas sub has a similar coating i think

03-20-07, 12:12 PM	#5
MRV Frogman Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 296 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Was the Alberich coating the same foamed-plastic thing that came to use on the russian spy-submarine that is now a museum in Hamburg, Germany??? This coating was very effective indeed, from its commission in 1973 till 2002 that submarine never was detected.

03-20-07, 05:07 PM	#8
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	Yes __________________ Irish1958

03-21-07, 05:59 AM	#9
AndyW Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 133 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the replies. Need a snorkle most badly now (April 1944), but after that I'm saving for an anti sub coating, let's see If I will see that coming. Cheers, AndyW __________________ currently U-200 (Type IXD2) Ltn.z.See Schonder, 2nd patrol (July 1943) [SH3 1.4b + GWX 2.1 @ 90% realism + U-Jagdtools + LRT + Seadbed Repair, DiD] TOTAL: 11 careers, 47 patrols, 1,033 days at sea, 633,585 tons sunk

03-21-07, 03:20 PM	#10
emtmedic005 Weps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Andover, MA Posts: 361 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Get the coating but conduct evasive moves as if you didnt have the coating. My thought is that it doesnt work to well. Back in WW2, BDU was prolly scrambling to find something to combat the new sonar and radar the Allies had. IT prolly had more Psychilogical effects on crew morale. Just think a enlisted man finds out his sub has a new Anti-Sonar coating, he will "forget" about worrying to much and do his job better.

03-21-07, 03:23 PM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	IIRC it adds between 10 and 20% off the chances of you being detected __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-21-07, 07:02 PM	#12
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	You'll notice the difference, if you have the stealth-icon enabled. With the coating present, there will be moments when the icon flashes from green to light-orange, just briefly...then maybe a 2nd time...but return to green again, if you perform the correct evasive procedures. Or not, lol. There's a stroke of luck involved. Without the coating, the icon will flash to orange, green, orange, orange, red, orange, red, red, red, red, red, red, red...enfin, you know the drill. __________________