Hull integrity in GWX

Bloody Bill · 02-16-07, 10:08 AM

Just out of curiosity, I have loaded GWX and noticed that the hull integrity % is no longer on the damage management screen. Was that intentional? It would be helpful since I got my type 9 shot up, fixed the damage, dove to evade, and the boat crushed at 140 meters.

Thanks

Paajtor · 02-16-07, 10:10 AM

Yes, that's intentional.
If you want it back, get the latest SH3Commander...it has an option to enable it again.

AVGWarhawk · 02-16-07, 10:35 AM

I find the % hull deal kind of a gimme'. How would an engineer know what the exact hull % is? He would not. All he could do is make recommendations to dive deep or not.I was hoping the GWX team could come up with a hull integrity of "good" "fair" "no way in hell would I dive" type deal instead of the exact %. Just a little more realism. Anyway, I've got bitten by the no hull integrity % showing

Corsair · 02-16-07, 11:24 AM

Good idea there... problem is that on one hand it is right to say they wouldn't be good enough to tell exactly, on the other it is surprising they would be so stupid they don't have any clue...
I think it's the same problem with range given by WO : it's too much he can give a range precise to the meter, it's not enough he can't say anything at all.
So each player makes a choice according to his own taste...

AVGWarhawk · 02-16-07, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Corsair

Good idea there... problem is that on one hand it is right to say they wouldn't be good enough to tell exactly, on the other it is surprising they would be so stupid they don't have any clue...
I think it's the same problem with range given by WO : it's too much he can give a range precise to the meter, it's not enough he can't say anything at all.
So each player makes a choice according to his own taste...

True!

Jimbuna · 02-16-07, 01:04 PM

I like the hull integrity showing because IMO there would be some kind of understanding as to what damage had been sustained....(if not a really accurate one)

AVGWarhawk · 02-16-07, 01:20 PM

Thats the discussion. If we are given a figure that is exact, it is not realistic. My thoughts were just a best guess response from engineer. You as the captain make you best decision on this. If I know the hull is at 10%, I will know a kid with a straw and a spit ball of paper is going to sink me. If I know the hull is in 'fair shape', the possiblity of water breaching is a very real matter. It is up to me to decide how deep to go at that point. Either we make it or I end up killing all crew.

High Voltage · 02-16-07, 01:22 PM

I have ben playing with no hull integrity, but based on your arguments, i admit it's foolish to play not having any idea of the shape of your boat, so i will be enabling this option next campaign.

Jimbuna · 02-16-07, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Thats the discussion. If we are given a figure that is exact, it is not realistic. My thoughts were just a best guess response from engineer. You as the captain make you best decision on this. If I know the hull is at 10%, I will know a kid with a straw and a spit ball of paper is going to sink me. If I know the hull is in 'fair shape', the possiblity of water breaching is a very real matter. It is up to me to decide how deep to go at that point. Either we make it or I end up killing all crew.

You also have the randomisation of crush depth to take into consideration

AVGWarhawk · 02-16-07, 01:49 PM

For me, I like not having the hull integrity showing. Reason being is this(probably the reason I do not finish patrol #2

), under the water, DC creating flooding, the engineers can look at the inside of the hull. They can not look at the outside...not until the boat is surfaced. Generally, they are making an educated guess as to what the boat can take. He will never be 100% sure of what the boat can handle. We are given a % for hull integrity that is giving you an exact measurement. You then base you decision on this. Not too realistic to me. If you have been DC'd quite a bit, a lot of flooding and repairs...you can deduce that the hull is not in the best of shape. Transit home,no further attacks on escorted vessels and no deep diving is in order. This is your decision as the Captain. It is this small room of doubt that make it just a little more exciting and realistic to me.

At this time all we have is hull integrity scale on or off. There is no inbetween. So it all is a matter of taste concerning this scale.

Jimbuna · 02-16-07, 01:57 PM

Fair comment.....let the individual make their own choice

IceGrog · 02-16-07, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloody Bill

GWX.....the hull integrity % is no longer on the damage management screen......

i'm running GWX..................and do have a gage for hull integrity,,,,,,,, it's all that balck stuff gushing out of my boat and the blacken sides....

AVGWarhawk · 02-16-07, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IceGrog

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Originally Posted by Bloody Bill

GWX.....the hull integrity % is no longer on the damage management screen......

i'm running GWX..................and do have a gage for hull integrity,,,,,,,, it's all that balck stuff gushing out of my boat and the blacken sides....

Well, yes...there is that

. I do not use the % scale for hull. I just use my intuition and how bad I just go my butt kicked.

Jimbuna · 02-16-07, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IceGrog

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Originally Posted by Bloody Bill

GWX.....the hull integrity % is no longer on the damage management screen......

i'm running GWX..................and do have a gage for hull integrity,,,,,,,, it's all that balck stuff gushing out of my boat and the blacken sides....

:rotfl: :rotfl:

02-16-07, 10:08 AM	#1
Bloody Bill Watch Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 23 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Hull integrity in GWX Just out of curiosity, I have loaded GWX and noticed that the hull integrity % is no longer on the damage management screen. Was that intentional? It would be helpful since I got my type 9 shot up, fixed the damage, dove to evade, and the boat crushed at 140 meters. Thanks

02-16-07, 10:35 AM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I find the % hull deal kind of a gimme'. How would an engineer know what the exact hull % is? He would not. All he could do is make recommendations to dive deep or not.I was hoping the GWX team could come up with a hull integrity of "good" "fair" "no way in hell would I dive" type deal instead of the exact %. Just a little more realism. Anyway, I've got bitten by the no hull integrity % showing __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-16-07, 11:24 AM	#4
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Good idea there... problem is that on one hand it is right to say they wouldn't be good enough to tell exactly, on the other it is surprising they would be so stupid they don't have any clue... I think it's the same problem with range given by WO : it's too much he can give a range precise to the meter, it's not enough he can't say anything at all. So each player makes a choice according to his own taste... __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

02-16-07, 01:04 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,518 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I like the hull integrity showing because IMO there would be some kind of understanding as to what damage had been sustained....(if not a really accurate one) __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-16-07, 01:20 PM	#7
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Thats the discussion. If we are given a figure that is exact, it is not realistic. My thoughts were just a best guess response from engineer. You as the captain make you best decision on this. If I know the hull is at 10%, I will know a kid with a straw and a spit ball of paper is going to sink me. If I know the hull is in 'fair shape', the possiblity of water breaching is a very real matter. It is up to me to decide how deep to go at that point. Either we make it or I end up killing all crew. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-16-07, 10:10 AM	#2
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	Yes, that's intentional. If you want it back, get the latest SH3Commander...it has an option to enable it again. __________________

02-16-07, 01:22 PM	#8
High Voltage Chief Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: U-33. Depth Charges...sinking.. Posts: 325 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have ben playing with no hull integrity, but based on your arguments, i admit it's foolish to play not having any idea of the shape of your boat, so i will be enabling this option next campaign. __________________ The new-moon night is black as ink. Off Hatteras the tankers sink. While sadly Roosevelt counts the score-- Some fifty thousand tons--by MOHR

02-16-07, 01:49 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	For me, I like not having the hull integrity showing. Reason being is this(probably the reason I do not finish patrol #2), under the water, DC creating flooding, the engineers can look at the inside of the hull. They can not look at the outside...not until the boat is surfaced. Generally, they are making an educated guess as to what the boat can take. He will never be 100% sure of what the boat can handle. We are given a % for hull integrity that is giving you an exact measurement. You then base you decision on this. Not too realistic to me. If you have been DC'd quite a bit, a lot of flooding and repairs...you can deduce that the hull is not in the best of shape. Transit home,no further attacks on escorted vessels and no deep diving is in order. This is your decision as the Captain. It is this small room of doubt that make it just a little more exciting and realistic to me. At this time all we have is hull integrity scale on or off. There is no inbetween. So it all is a matter of taste concerning this scale. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-16-07, 01:57 PM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,518 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Fair comment.....let the individual make their own choice __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!