Royal Family gathers at Balmoral amid concerns for Queen's health - Page 4

Aktungbby · 09-10-22, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Londoner Miriam Sherwani

Charles can never replace her you know.

...for merging and editing in the posts. I was going to suggest a thread-merge myself. I had not noticed your previous thread and when my wife informed me the Queen had passed, I immediately posted my condolences. My Canadian mom was a great fan of the queen and I and my siblings grew up on Mom's cinnamon-sprinkled toast. The cinnamon was reverently kept on the table for decades in a ceramic jar with the Queen's coronation profile on it. Poor Charles III is "...only to be king till he turns 80"...not exactly a vote of confidence from his mom imho!!? She still rules from the crypt!

No "firm" ever had a better CEO!

mapuc · 09-10-22, 10:20 AM

A question to Jim.

Now that your Queen Elizabeth is no more-What about your money with her portrait on ? Can you still use them and if so for how long ?

I read in an article that every single coins and banknotes had to be changed-It didn't say anything about approval of using these-Until the new coins and banknotes has been released.

Markus

Jimbuna · 09-10-22, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

...for merging and editing in the posts. I was going to suggest a thread-merge myself.

Not a problem, it's crazy having two identical threads.

Jimbuna · 09-10-22, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

A question to Jim.

Now that your Queen Elizabeth is no more-What about your money with her portrait on ? Can you still use them and if so for how long ?

I read in an article that every single coins and banknotes had to be changed-It didn't say anything about approval of using these-Until the new coins and banknotes has been released.

Markus

Not aware of any decision having been taken yet....far too early to say but my 'money' would be that they are kept and new coins possibly with Charles on them will be phased in as and when any newly minted coins etc. would be needed in any case.

mapuc · 09-10-22, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Not aware of any decision having been taken yet....far too early to say but my 'money' would be that they are kept and new coins possibly with Charles on them will be phased in as and when any newly minted coins etc. would be needed in any case.

Thank you Jim

After I had read your answer I thought-Hey why not seek info in English and found this BBC-article

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The Royal Mint won't say how or when it will start issuing coins with King Charles III's head on them, but it's likely that the Queen's coins will remain in circulation for many years, and that the process to replace them will be a gradual one.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59596996

Markus

Jimbuna · 09-10-22, 11:41 AM

A short time ago it was announced that the Queen’s funeral will be held on Monday 19 September.

She will lie in state in Westminster Hall for four days beforehand, and mourners will be able to pay their respects.

The funeral service will be held in Westminster Abbey and she will be laid to rest in Windsor.

Tomorrow, the Queen’s coffin will be taken from Balmoral to Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh.

Her daughter, Princess Anne will accompany it when it is flown to London.

Platapus · 09-10-22, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

A question to Jim.

Now that your Queen Elizabeth is no more-What about your money with her portrait on ? Can you still use them and if so for how long ?

I read in an article that every single coins and banknotes had to be changed-It didn't say anything about approval of using these-Until the new coins and banknotes has been released.

Markus

Yes, not only will the money have to be replaced but also things like Passports which also have the image of the sovereign. This will take several years and the "old" stuff will be good for several more years.

I am sure that collectors are already amassing stuff.

Skybird · 09-10-22, 01:08 PM

Charles III. did well for a start. He found exactly the right words and set exactly the right tone. Having been prepared for this since 70 years, he maybe will show his critics that they underestimated him.

Reasons for a successful continuation of Royalty the UK there would be enough in these times, where a whole range of centrifugal forces threaten to rip the united kingdom apart. Royalty in the UK add tremendous identification power and a sense of belonging together, to a degree and in a way that you hardly see anywhere else ion tis manner, and certainly not in this way and fashion, its all so typically British.

And it is here where the merit and relevance of Elizabeth II. is to be sought, found and defined. She served this function in such an outstanding, flawless manner that I think it is justified to promote her reign in the history books to a second Elizabethian era - as long as one makes not the mistake to compare her directly to Elizabeth I, who was an absolutistic monarch in an absolutistic era, and had very different political and military options of power that defined her reign within a very different and incomparable context, therefore. Elizabeth II.' reign for 70 years fixed coordinates in time that remained unmovable and steady, this way providing a sense of stability, continuity and a basis that people dared to build their future confidence on.

If Charles III. manages to halt the slow but steady decline in popularity of the constitutional monarchy especially amongst the young despite obviously not being his mother, he probably would have acchieved somethign worth to be described as the fulfillment of his reign, because with 73 years he already was old when the gained the thrown, and so his reign will not last as long as that of his mother, and her shadows weighs heavy. It will be up to William, I think, to really redefine the long lasting future of it all. Until then it will be up to Charles to help preventing the UK from blowing apart at several directions simultaneously.

Seen this way, his reign and the way he brings it to life and interprets it, will be extremely important and relevant for the UK's future due to the integrating and identity-creating power of a monarchy that either functions and is seen as working for the people - or not. Its all symbolic - but symbols nevertheless can build up great power of influencing people. Thats where their magic comes from - or not wen the symbol is badly chosen and misinterpreted. The great temptation Charles maybe has to withstand to is to opportunistically initiate too dramatic changes, opportunistically obeying perceived public expectations to trivialise the role of Royalty and "modernising" or even deleting its ritualised pomp. This pomp is old, it has tradition, and right because of that it tells itshistory and story - and that is what gives it all its integrating power that forms a united identity. Take it away, and you have a profane layman stageplay only that impresses nobody and soon will be forgotten. There are other monarchies in Europe, still, but lets be honest - who cares for them that much? Only the British monarchy radiates an attractiveness that goes beyond the native population of the UK and the Commonwealth. Compared to all the many other follies states waste money on, the costs for this show are peanuts - but the gains and benefits for the UK can be be immense.

Obviously written with great sympathies and subjectivity.

Jimbuna · 09-10-22, 01:19 PM

GOD SAVE THE KING

Aktungbby · 09-10-22, 03:04 PM

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There are other monarchies in Europe, still, but lets be honest - who cares for them that much?

Still missing ol' Wilhelm II R U!

Catfish · 09-10-22, 03:48 PM

How can you joke about this ..

My ancestors' name was "von Bellin" (near Fehrbellin), but grandpa decided to change the name

Skybird · 09-11-22, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

How can you joke about this ..

My ancestors' name was "von Bellin" (near Fehrbellin), but grandpa decided to change the name

Ah, so they build the subway station in Berlin, Fehrbelliner Platz...?

ET2SN · 09-11-22, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

How can you joke about this ..

My ancestors' name was "von Bellin" (near Fehrbellin), but grandpa decided to change the name

So, you're saying you could have been somebody..

Catfish · 09-11-22, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Ah, so they build the subway station in Berlin, Fehrbelliner Platz...?

May be

Bellin is not even a village or city, it is a region afaik; only village there is "Fehrbellin" which comes from "Fähre" ("ferry" of Bellin). There is also "von Battenberg" and "Calenberg-Grubenhagen-Goettingen", where Battenberg became "Mountbatten", in England.

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Originally Posted by ET2SN

So, you're saying you could have been somebody..

It seems my grandfather despised this nobility nonsense, on the other hand a "von..." does not necessarily mean a title, it maybe just a name hinting of where a person comes from, geographically.
Could be worse, imagine being called a "de Pfeffel" (of german Suebia)

Let England love its monarchy, i'm quite happy this nonsense has stopped here

ET2SN · 09-11-22, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

It seems my grandfather despised this nobility nonsense, on the other hand a "von..." does not necessarily mean a title, it maybe just a name hinting of where a person comes from, geographically.
Could be worse, imagine being called a "de Pfeffel" (of german Suebia)

My family name was "Americanized" by a bored clerk on Ellis Island.

It was most likely "Zemen" but there's also a chance it could have been

which "tracks" because I used to be a whiz with programable ladder logic.

09-10-22, 10:20 AM	#47
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,541 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	A question to Jim. Now that your Queen Elizabeth is no more-What about your money with her portrait on ? Can you still use them and if so for how long ? I read in an article that every single coins and banknotes had to be changed-It didn't say anything about approval of using these-Until the new coins and banknotes has been released. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

09-10-22, 11:41 AM	#51
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,678 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A short time ago it was announced that the Queen’s funeral will be held on Monday 19 September. She will lie in state in Westminster Hall for four days beforehand, and mourners will be able to pay their respects. The funeral service will be held in Westminster Abbey and she will be laid to rest in Windsor. Tomorrow, the Queen’s coffin will be taken from Balmoral to Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh. Her daughter, Princess Anne will accompany it when it is flown to London. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-10-22, 01:08 PM	#53
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,666 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Charles III. did well for a start. He found exactly the right words and set exactly the right tone. Having been prepared for this since 70 years, he maybe will show his critics that they underestimated him. Reasons for a successful continuation of Royalty the UK there would be enough in these times, where a whole range of centrifugal forces threaten to rip the united kingdom apart. Royalty in the UK add tremendous identification power and a sense of belonging together, to a degree and in a way that you hardly see anywhere else ion tis manner, and certainly not in this way and fashion, its all so typically British. And it is here where the merit and relevance of Elizabeth II. is to be sought, found and defined. She served this function in such an outstanding, flawless manner that I think it is justified to promote her reign in the history books to a second Elizabethian era - as long as one makes not the mistake to compare her directly to Elizabeth I, who was an absolutistic monarch in an absolutistic era, and had very different political and military options of power that defined her reign within a very different and incomparable context, therefore. Elizabeth II.' reign for 70 years fixed coordinates in time that remained unmovable and steady, this way providing a sense of stability, continuity and a basis that people dared to build their future confidence on. If Charles III. manages to halt the slow but steady decline in popularity of the constitutional monarchy especially amongst the young despite obviously not being his mother, he probably would have acchieved somethign worth to be described as the fulfillment of his reign, because with 73 years he already was old when the gained the thrown, and so his reign will not last as long as that of his mother, and her shadows weighs heavy. It will be up to William, I think, to really redefine the long lasting future of it all. Until then it will be up to Charles to help preventing the UK from blowing apart at several directions simultaneously. Seen this way, his reign and the way he brings it to life and interprets it, will be extremely important and relevant for the UK's future due to the integrating and identity-creating power of a monarchy that either functions and is seen as working for the people - or not. Its all symbolic - but symbols nevertheless can build up great power of influencing people. Thats where their magic comes from - or not wen the symbol is badly chosen and misinterpreted. The great temptation Charles maybe has to withstand to is to opportunistically initiate too dramatic changes, opportunistically obeying perceived public expectations to trivialise the role of Royalty and "modernising" or even deleting its ritualised pomp. This pomp is old, it has tradition, and right because of that it tells itshistory and story - and that is what gives it all its integrating power that forms a united identity. Take it away, and you have a profane layman stageplay only that impresses nobody and soon will be forgotten. There are other monarchies in Europe, still, but lets be honest - who cares for them that much? Only the British monarchy radiates an attractiveness that goes beyond the native population of the UK and the Commonwealth. Compared to all the many other follies states waste money on, the costs for this show are peanuts - but the gains and benefits for the UK can be be immense. Obviously written with great sympathies and subjectivity. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-10-22, 01:19 PM	#54
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,678 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	GOD SAVE THE KING __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-10-22, 03:48 PM	#56
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,776 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	How can you joke about this .. My ancestors' name was "von Bellin" (near Fehrbellin), but grandpa decided to change the name __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.