SH4 won't start after recent Win10 update

billkunert · 03-25-21, 08:26 PM

I've been successfully running SH4 on a Dell Inspiron 15-5501 with a 10th gen I 7 and 12 gig of ram and 64 bit Win 10. Microsoft recently updated Win 10 and since then SH4 won't start. I've removed and reinstalled it with no success. I found a supposed cure on YouTube about changing thr resolution and that did nothing. I'm wondering if anybody else started having problems after a Win 10 update within the past week. Mine is a download version from Amazon and has the German campaign.

KaleunMarco · 03-25-21, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billkunert

I've been successfully running SH4 on a Dell Inspiron 15-5501 with a 10th gen I 7 and 12 gig of ram and 64 bit Win 10. Microsoft recently updated Win 10 and since then SH4 won't start. I've removed and reinstalled it with no success. I found a supposed cure on YouTube about changing thr resolution and that did nothing. I'm wondering if anybody else started having problems after a Win 10 update within the past week. Mine is a download version from Amazon and has the German campaign.

best advice: re-install SH4 in a non-Program Files folder.
Win10 is markedly different than Win7 and if you install SH4 in the default Windows folder it will not run properly.
try a folder like C:\UbiSoft\Silent Hunter 4\
any folder name will work as long as it is not the default Program Files.
good luck.

propbeanie · 03-26-21, 01:51 AM

Win10 has been messing with me also lately. When using MultiSH4, the folder created for the Saved games don't always end up in the Documents folder, and are sometimes found in the root of the C drive. A few days later, OneDrive syncs, and presto-change-oh, there the folder is, in the Documents folder. Very strange, but only since I've gotten the "new" Windows... Messed with all of my web sessions also, change my program associations (again), and deleted stuff that I apparently didn't need anymore... extremely rude behavior.

But anyway, what I've been finding is that I have had to change the settings of the SH4.exe properties page more lately. I used to get by with none, or maybe one of the boxes ticked, depending upon the computer. Now I have to tick all of these on the one:

I never had to do the "Compatibility" before, but the new desktop machine I have now requires that, set to Windows 7. The laptop doesn't. Then there is the "Disable full-screen optimizations", which I now have to use on two of three computers, both of which have relatively new nVidia cards - but nothing fancy. The "Run this program as an administrator" is only needed on the laptop for whatever reason, and it does increase the UAC (User Access Control) interruptions much more frequently, but you do what you gotta do. Last, but certainly not least, I have had to click on the "Change high DPI settings" button on the same two desktops, and then click "Overide high DPI scaling behavior. Scaling performed by: Application". Three computers, all three set differently now than before, and no two alike, all three intel...

It is easiest to get SH4 running if you set Windows to use the "native" resolution of your monitor, which windows will show as "Recommended". Then in the game, set it to the same resolution. The main fix for my newer computer is the "Disable full-screen optimizations", because Windows otherwise tries to makes things "prettier" and "in-focus"... which the game does that itself. But you'll have to experiment with them all. If all else fails, you could try to open the Data/ Cfg / Main.cfg file in a text editor, and set the resolution in there to match your computer:

[VIDEO]
Resolution=1920,1080,60,22
DynamicShadows=No
FullScreen=Yes
Synchronized=Yes
TextureResolutionHigh=Yes

Or even try setting the FullScreen=No

Still do what KaleunMarco suggests though...

Captain Dave · 03-26-21, 08:49 AM

The latest Win10 service pack changed all my font and colors. It also deleted all my restore points.

billkunert · 03-26-21, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

best advice: re-install SH4 in a non-Program Files folder.
Win10 is markedly different than Win7 and if you install SH4 in the default Windows folder it will not run properly.
try a folder like C:\UbiSoft\Silent Hunter 4\
any folder name will work as long as it is not the default Program Files.
good luck.

SH4 is in C:\UbiSoft\Silent Hunter 4. I changed the resolution in Cfg to match my computer, fiddled with the SH4.exe property settings(compatibility, etc. Still doesn't even try to start. Every thing worked fine until Microsoft installed a second March cumulative update KB5001649 on the 23rd.. I guess I could try removing that update and see what happens. I can't believe I'm the only person having this problem.

I removed KB5001649 - still doesn't work.

Went into config and set resolution 10 1024X768 and it starts. Set to 1920X1080 in game options and I'm up and running.

KaleunMarco · 03-26-21, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Win10 has been messing with me also lately. When using MultiSH4, the folder created for the Saved games don't always end up in the Documents folder, and are sometimes found in the root of the C drive. A few days later, OneDrive syncs, and presto-change-oh, there the folder is, in the Documents folder. Very strange, but only since I've gotten the "new" Windows... Messed with all of my web sessions also, change my program associations (again), and deleted stuff that I apparently didn't need anymore... extremely rude behavior.

Still do what KaleunMarco suggests though...

PB, you have GOT to get off OneDrive. It is a moral and security imperative.

propbeanie · 03-27-21, 09:47 AM

I am not on OneDrive. It is not installed on my computers. However, that is what Microsoft uses for the backup images it creates when doing Windows Updates now. They apparently retain said images also. Everybody that has Windows 10 now appears to be tied to OneDrive, whether they like it or not. You may or may not have a OneDrive folder on one of your own hard drives that is visible, but MS does use the "cloud" to back-up your files to, while it Updates your machine. If there is a problem with the Update completing, Windows will restore from the "cloud", and if they have a problem with that, they ask the User to verify which restore point they want to use, and if you have multiple computers on a home network, you better make certain which computer you are pulling their restore point for... This can really "trash" a person's computer, and MS will disavow any and all knowledge of their Impossible Mission team's existence...

Look at the recent spate of people "losing" their Save folders... I did a fresh install of SH4 the other day for testing what we hope is the final mix of FotRSU, and did a new MultiSH4 Save folder. That folder was NOT in My Documents, or anything even close to that folder initially - of which, I used Windows File Manager to point to a My Documents folder on the E: drive (a clue! a clue!!). The SH4 Save folder was hanging on the root of the C: drive... It took me a while to find it, because here I am trying to "test" the mod, and after a few tests, I wanted to clear the Save folder again to pull in fresh data... It took me ~forever~ to find it. Several days later, there is was in E:\Users \UserName \Documents, where it should have been to begin with. How? is what I want to know. Did Windows "sync" itself with my computer?? But with a different install, that Save folder has not moved to Documents yet... ??? But it sure looks like Windows 10 Update is using the "cloud". Maybe someone with more MS "top-secret" knowledge can enlighten us... ??

Moonlight · 03-27-21, 11:03 AM

Perhaps you should have a bit less paranoia Mr beanie and consider changing your account settings instead, that's enough piss taking for now.

Have a read of the link below and decide if you want a local account or a Microsoft one, from what I can remember of all this account and update nonsense it's that Win 10 Home editions and Win 10 pro editions are slightly different, that's up to the user to look into if you go down this path.

The Difference Between Local and Microsoft Accounts in Windows
https://www.lifewire.com/local-vs-mi...indows-3507003

propbeanie · 03-27-21, 11:18 AM

I signed-up (having been a MS "Insider" at the time) for the Windows 10 previews, prior to the Release Candidates and "beta" versions. I really enjoyed their initial releases. I did the same thing for Windows 2000 and XP back in the day, but did not have enough time during either Windows 7 nor 8 to do the same. So I have an MS account, which automatically links all of my various copies of Windows 10 (two desktops, 1 laptop of mine, plus the 2 boys' computers), which is why I am basically stuck with that sign-in. My boys do not have the issue, since they use Local accounts. Such is life. I do still have a "Preview" version on the one computer, and I do still enjoy the "bleeding edge" of the OS game, though I can no longer afford the latest/greatest new hardware that I used to stay up with back in the 486 DX2-66 to Pentium days...

- I do not "bad-mouth" Windows as much as I do Apple or even Linux anymore...

- That is a good link there, and there are even several good articles and threads on some of the MS sites, of which I don't have any links to at this time... but you do have to wade through some of the pages of "automatic" replies there anyway... A person with multiple Win10 installs with MS account sign-ins, does have to be careful when it comes to the Updates, especially on a Home install.

3catcircus · 03-27-21, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Dave

The latest Win10 service pack changed all my font and colors. It also deleted all my restore points.

I purchased a copy of Macrium just in case. I do a full backup monthly, a differential weekly, and an incremental every night.

Once I buy a new PC, I'm considering playing with my old one and installing Mint or Ubuntu instead of Windows - I understand that both SH3 and SH4 are able to run on Linux.

c6owboy · 03-28-21, 02:57 PM

I wish I could get a picture of the error message I bought a new laptop a few days ago SH4 won't run on it now. If I try to run it as administrator it says this application has been blocked from for your protection by an administrator contact the administrator . Microsoft messed with the application and browser protection smartscreen. Even if you turn the setting off it still blocks it from running.

3catcircus · 03-28-21, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c6owboy

I wish I could get a picture of the error message I bought a new laptop a few days ago SH4 won't run on it now. If I try to run it as administrator it says this application has been blocked from for your protection by an administrator contact the administrator . Microsoft messed with the application and browser protection smartscreen. Even if you turn the setting off it still blocks it from running.

Are you logged in as an admin?

propbeanie · 03-28-21, 05:15 PM

You most likely have to change the SH4.exe Properties, as illustrated above.

Aktungbby · 03-28-21, 10:50 PM

c6owboy!

after a long silent run!

Sosondowah · 04-05-21, 03:38 PM

I am in the same situation, trying to launch the game normally nothing happens, and I receive this when I try to do it as an administrator.

https://ibb.co/XVsrdLP

It' doesn't work even with these two options off, so I guess I am no longer the master of my domain. I mean my desktop.

https://ibb.co/0GSBYdB

Maybe Microsoft has decided SH4 is a menace to society and it should be banned. And also, since most likely I am not able to take care of myself, they will take care of me and my cyber security against my will.

Honestly, I have been thinking for some time to become a Linux (Ubuntu) user, maybe it's a good time to make this step.

03-25-21, 08:26 PM	#1
billkunert Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 7 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	SH4 won't start after recent Win10 update I've been successfully running SH4 on a Dell Inspiron 15-5501 with a 10th gen I 7 and 12 gig of ram and 64 bit Win 10. Microsoft recently updated Win 10 and since then SH4 won't start. I've removed and reinstalled it with no success. I found a supposed cure on YouTube about changing thr resolution and that did nothing. I'm wondering if anybody else started having problems after a Win 10 update within the past week. Mine is a download version from Amazon and has the German campaign.

03-26-21, 01:51 AM	#3
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Win10 has been messing with me also lately. When using MultiSH4, the folder created for the Saved games don't always end up in the Documents folder, and are sometimes found in the root of the C drive. A few days later, OneDrive syncs, and presto-change-oh, there the folder is, in the Documents folder. Very strange, but only since I've gotten the "new" Windows... Messed with all of my web sessions also, change my program associations (again), and deleted stuff that I apparently didn't need anymore... extremely rude behavior. But anyway, what I've been finding is that I have had to change the settings of the SH4.exe properties page more lately. I used to get by with none, or maybe one of the boxes ticked, depending upon the computer. Now I have to tick all of these on the one: I never had to do the "Compatibility" before, but the new desktop machine I have now requires that, set to Windows 7. The laptop doesn't. Then there is the "Disable full-screen optimizations", which I now have to use on two of three computers, both of which have relatively new nVidia cards - but nothing fancy. The "Run this program as an administrator" is only needed on the laptop for whatever reason, and it does increase the UAC (User Access Control) interruptions much more frequently, but you do what you gotta do. Last, but certainly not least, I have had to click on the "Change high DPI settings" button on the same two desktops, and then click "Overide high DPI scaling behavior. Scaling performed by: Application". Three computers, all three set differently now than before, and no two alike, all three intel... It is easiest to get SH4 running if you set Windows to use the "native" resolution of your monitor, which windows will show as "Recommended". Then in the game, set it to the same resolution. The main fix for my newer computer is the "Disable full-screen optimizations", because Windows otherwise tries to makes things "prettier" and "in-focus"... which the game does that itself. But you'll have to experiment with them all. If all else fails, you could try to open the Data/ Cfg / Main.cfg file in a text editor, and set the resolution in there to match your computer: [VIDEO] Resolution=1920,1080,60,22 DynamicShadows=No FullScreen=Yes Synchronized=Yes TextureResolutionHigh=Yes Or even try setting the FullScreen=No Still do what KaleunMarco suggests though... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

03-26-21, 08:49 AM	#4
Captain Dave Officer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Herriman, Utah Posts: 247 Downloads: 398 Uploads: 3	The latest Win10 service pack changed all my font and colors. It also deleted all my restore points. __________________ Sending "Fish" to the enemy for 14 years.

03-27-21, 09:47 AM	#7
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	I am not on OneDrive. It is not installed on my computers. However, that is what Microsoft uses for the backup images it creates when doing Windows Updates now. They apparently retain said images also. Everybody that has Windows 10 now appears to be tied to OneDrive, whether they like it or not. You may or may not have a OneDrive folder on one of your own hard drives that is visible, but MS does use the "cloud" to back-up your files to, while it Updates your machine. If there is a problem with the Update completing, Windows will restore from the "cloud", and if they have a problem with that, they ask the User to verify which restore point they want to use, and if you have multiple computers on a home network, you better make certain which computer you are pulling their restore point for... This can really "trash" a person's computer, and MS will disavow any and all knowledge of their Impossible Mission team's existence... Look at the recent spate of people "losing" their Save folders... I did a fresh install of SH4 the other day for testing what we hope is the final mix of FotRSU, and did a new MultiSH4 Save folder. That folder was NOT in My Documents, or anything even close to that folder initially - of which, I used Windows File Manager to point to a My Documents folder on the E: drive (a clue! a clue!!). The SH4 Save folder was hanging on the root of the C: drive... It took me a while to find it, because here I am trying to "test" the mod, and after a few tests, I wanted to clear the Save folder again to pull in fresh data... It took me ~forever~ to find it. Several days later, there is was in E:\Users \UserName \Documents, where it should have been to begin with. How? is what I want to know. Did Windows "sync" itself with my computer?? But with a different install, that Save folder has not moved to Documents yet... ??? But it sure looks like Windows 10 Update is using the "cloud". Maybe someone with more MS "top-secret" knowledge can enlighten us... ?? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

03-27-21, 11:03 AM	#8
Moonlight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,520 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	Perhaps you should have a bit less paranoia Mr beanie and consider changing your account settings instead, that's enough piss taking for now. Have a read of the link below and decide if you want a local account or a Microsoft one, from what I can remember of all this account and update nonsense it's that Win 10 Home editions and Win 10 pro editions are slightly different, that's up to the user to look into if you go down this path. The Difference Between Local and Microsoft Accounts in Windows https://www.lifewire.com/local-vs-mi...indows-3507003 __________________

03-27-21, 11:18 AM	#9
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	I signed-up (having been a MS "Insider" at the time) for the Windows 10 previews, prior to the Release Candidates and "beta" versions. I really enjoyed their initial releases. I did the same thing for Windows 2000 and XP back in the day, but did not have enough time during either Windows 7 nor 8 to do the same. So I have an MS account, which automatically links all of my various copies of Windows 10 (two desktops, 1 laptop of mine, plus the 2 boys' computers), which is why I am basically stuck with that sign-in. My boys do not have the issue, since they use Local accounts. Such is life. I do still have a "Preview" version on the one computer, and I do still enjoy the "bleeding edge" of the OS game, though I can no longer afford the latest/greatest new hardware that I used to stay up with back in the 486 DX2-66 to Pentium days... - I do not "bad-mouth" Windows as much as I do Apple or even Linux anymore... - That is a good link there, and there are even several good articles and threads on some of the MS sites, of which I don't have any links to at this time... but you do have to wade through some of the pages of "automatic" replies there anyway... A person with multiple Win10 installs with MS account sign-ins, does have to be careful when it comes to the Updates, especially on a Home install. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

03-28-21, 02:57 PM	#11
c6owboy Nub Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Windows User Account control blocks sh4 from running I wish I could get a picture of the error message I bought a new laptop a few days ago SH4 won't run on it now. If I try to run it as administrator it says this application has been blocked from for your protection by an administrator contact the administrator . Microsoft messed with the application and browser protection smartscreen. Even if you turn the setting off it still blocks it from running.

03-28-21, 05:15 PM	#13
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	You most likely have to change the SH4.exe Properties, as illustrated above. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

03-28-21, 10:50 PM	#14
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,023 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Welcome back! c6owboy! after a long silent run! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

04-05-21, 03:38 PM	#15
Sosondowah Watch Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Timișoara/România/Eastern Europe Posts: 28 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I am in the same situation, trying to launch the game normally nothing happens, and I receive this when I try to do it as an administrator. https://ibb.co/XVsrdLP It' doesn't work even with these two options off, so I guess I am no longer the master of my domain. I mean my desktop. https://ibb.co/0GSBYdB Maybe Microsoft has decided SH4 is a menace to society and it should be banned. And also, since most likely I am not able to take care of myself, they will take care of me and my cyber security against my will. Honestly, I have been thinking for some time to become a Linux (Ubuntu) user, maybe it's a good time to make this step. __________________ "The Dutch say we are brothers, and joined together with chains, but that lasts only as long as we have beavers; after that no attention is paid to us." Mohawk Leader Last edited by Sosondowah; 04-05-21 at 03:51 PM.