Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots

[u crank]

Originally Posted by vienna

the author is Retired US Marine Corps Four Star General John R. Allen, a distinguished military leader and noted and respected authority on Governance, Foreign and Domestic Policy;

From the General's Wikipedia page...

Allen was a featured speaker at the 2016 Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia on July 27, 2016, on the topic of national security. He criticized Republican nominee Donald Trump and endorsed Hillary Clinton for President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R...Political_role

Who'd thought.

[Rockstar]

I've said it before if Generals want to buck the system and crap on the chain of command, openly criticizing the C in C in front of the troops. Then he ought to resign his military privileges, rank, position, and pay or have it taken from him and he can go on squawking about all he likes. Otherwise he needs to do his duty shut his mouth and keep his opinions too himself or his peers.

[August]

Originally Posted by u crank

From the General's Wikipedia page...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R...Political_role

Who'd thought.

Plenty of Generals are part of the Deep State.

[August]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I've been hearing this incident was racially motivated. I'm confused.

Making it about race furthers the narrative.

[em2nought]

The guy didn't deserve what happened to him. Neither was the guy a model citizen.

[Cybermat47]

Guys, I think we can all agree that the cops killing people for no reason in broad daylight is worth protesting about, after so many people, white and black have been killed. We’ve seen other cops join the protestors, so obviously they’re concerned by what’s going on.

What I do not understand is why the peaceful protestor’s reasonable demands of increased police accountability are not being met by US state and federal government/s. I thought the USA was founded on libertarian principles like small government, where the people’s voices were more important than the government’s? Where the power resided with “we the people”?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Guys, I think we can all agree that the cops killing people for no reason in broad daylight is worth protesting about, after so many people, white and black have been killed. We’ve seen other cops join the protestors, so obviously they’re concerned by what’s going on.

What I do not understand is why the peaceful protestor’s reasonable demands of increased police accountability are not being met by US state and federal government/s. I thought the USA was founded on libertarian principles like small government, where the people’s voices were more important than the government’s? Where the power resided with “we the people”?

I think we all agree with that. I question the immediate jump to the racial element. Calling it police brutality, I understand.

[Skybird]

One does not see much when living one's life with eyes shut. Those willing to see racism where it exists, do see it. Those determined to deny its existence, will not see it.

But like in Germany the new Libertarians did themselves no favour by not wiping out the Nazi influence within their rows that now takes their party over more and more, anti-racism movements in America did themselves no favour by allowign to get hijacked by far-left ideologists and socialists, environmentalists, gender-activists and fascismo-feminists.


Justified topics get hijacked this way, distorted and watered down until they cannot be recognised anymore. That way, the hijackers corrupt them.

And the original topic becomes unsupportable that way.


On the police itself, usually there are great differences being seen between polices in Europe or Japan, Australia - and the US. In the US the training is much shorter and the focus is more on combat fighting it gets reported again and again this way, as if the police were a military unit going to battles. Soft skills (psychology, communication, conflict management), are undervalued, where in othe Wetsenr cioutnries the yget much more time to be learne dand trained. Also many police units have been militarised also materialistically, with equipping them with military equipment. Finally, many former soldiers and ex military people go to the police after they left the armed forces. That attitude no doubt carries over.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I think we all agree with that. I question the immediate jump to the racial element. Calling it police brutality, I understand.

There are definitely some cases of police brutality that are motivated by racism or other forms of prejudice, but then there are others like Justine Damond (another case of the MPD unreasonably killing someone), and almost certainly the cases of Jessica Boynton or Thomas Brown, which seem to be motivated by a variety of different reasons.

Which raises the issue of what exactly is wrong with these departments. Is there improper training, or some kind of “us vs them” mentality when it comes to dealing with the public? Or is it simply that some people trip on power (which in some cases emboldens them to act on their prejudices), and most of the department chooses to stand by a colleague rather than investigate properly? Or is it a mix of all those factors?

[Onkel Neal]

I'm no expert, but I think it is "some kind of “us vs them” mentality when it comes to dealing with the public" to a large degree. Our society is changing, people in big cities, and the cops change with them.

I know, someone will be clever and post Aristotle or someone from 2000BC commenting on how civilization is going to ruin, etc. Regardless, that's how I see it. My short stint teaching school confirmed a lot of that thinking. I certainly know in 1969 if I had said F --- this in a classroom, I wouldn't be able to sit down for a week. Today it's different. Society is different. And people who are tasked with dealing with the bottom feeders of society are probably becoming jaded and coarse too.

[Jimbuna]

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Which raises the issue of what exactly is wrong with these departments. Is there improper training, or some kind of “us vs them” mentality when it comes to dealing with the public? Or is it simply that some people trip on power (which in some cases emboldens them to act on their prejudices), and most of the department chooses to stand by a colleague rather than investigate properly? Or is it a mix of all those factors?

There is probably no single reason but you make some valid points. With regards to training I cannot believe that police officers cannot be trained to not do what these guys did. What possible reason is there for these guys to not put handcuffs on Mr. Floyd and put him in a cruiser? There's four of them and they have mace and tasers. It has to be bad training combined with bad personel. Hopefully this case will spark a change in that kind of behavior.

The “us vs them” mentality is also a real problem. A big contributing factor is police unions. Many times efforts to reform police behavior are resisted by powerful unions. The current head of the Minneapolis police union is Bob Kroll. He has a record of disciplinary actions against him including a couple of suspensions and a lawsuit against him. Why is this guy in charge of that union?

[MaDef]

Which raises the issue of what exactly is wrong with these departments. Is there improper training, or some kind of “us vs them” mentality when it comes to dealing with the public? Or is it simply that some people trip on power (which in some cases emboldens them to act on their prejudices), and most of the department chooses to stand by a colleague rather than investigate properly? Or is it a mix of all those factors?

The war on drugs, the war on crime, the war on gangs, the war on terror, the war against poverty....., anybody else see a common theme? those phrases make for good sound bytes by both the media and politicians, People have been using the phrases since at least 06/18/1971. (Nixon first used the term "war on drugs"). So it's only natural for police depts. to incorporate military gear & tactics to fight these "wars". This moment has been 50 yrs in the making, and there is no "quick fix". You can make a start by demilitarizing the police and the politicians need to repeal all the various laws put in place to fight all those different "wars".

[Buddahaid]

American English uses the term and the word fight for everything. Fight cancer, fight poverty, etc., never help cure or help eliminate.

[Dowly]

This is the problem:



And this isn't a singular case, the police seem to be aiming their less-lethal rounds to the head area all too often.


Another example, here a 16yo is shot in the head with a less-lethal round, he wasn't being violent.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...tice_for_levi/