Tips for AA Accuracy?

blubalou · 11-07-19, 03:11 AM

I just had an engagement with a sea plane that made 6 or 7 passes until I finally ran out of ammo. I got some smoke and flames after the first or second pass, but then after that, either I missed with over 500 rounds, or the plane was swiss cheese but still kept flying. (Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that the problem was the former.)

I know I need to lead my shots.... and that gravity is working against me, but I feel like I need more than just a little practice; it seems more like there is something fundamentally wrong with my technique such that I could use some lessons or coaching. Anyone have some sage advice that can turn me into a dead-eye?

BTW, I'm running TWOwTW and RSRD.

Thanks!

-blu

Fifi · 11-07-19, 04:05 AM

Letting our crew doing the job is perfect...they know how to aim far better than us

propbeanie · 11-07-19, 08:22 AM

You could also experiment with your technique, if you are insistent upon doing it yourself, by using the "SS02 Artillery" mission file in the Submarine School. It displays on the Submarine School list as "Artillery Training", and puts you on the surface near some merchant vessels that shoot at you, and then some planes that attempt to bomb and strafe you. It is much easier to get through that in Stock than TMO, which is easier to do than RFB, since TMO adds difficulty with a bumped-up AI, and RFB adds "weakness" to your sub's 'armor' level, so you'll be sunk rather quickly (even in wTw) if you and your crew aren't on their toes... and it will give you an idea of what to expect in a career if you don't avoid surface engagements of all kinds - especially with airplanes.

jimmbbo · 11-07-19, 12:17 PM

FWIW, I avoid airplanes, diving when they're spotted..

My sub is a relatively large, slow and easy target for them, while they are at best a challenge for me to hit.
I may be paranoid, but it seems the game AI directs the A/C to radio my position to IJN HQ and soon I have more company than I want. Don't see an upside to giving them the opportunity

The only thing I use the AA for is sinking sampans and fishing boats with the 40mm Bofors being very effective for the task.

Mios 4Me · 11-07-19, 09:52 PM

Even with elite crews manning 2x 40mm, we've never downed an incoming Zero and very few of anything else on their inbound runs, even on one memorable jag where we shot down 25-30 aircraft following the Battle of the Philippine Sea.

For that matter, how can we get the 5" crews to engage with their weapons? It seems to be only a manual option, so I use the AA shells as a reserve for surface attack.

ETA: apparently the "Target Incoming Aircraft" isn't to save ammo, but necessary for the crew to really figure out you what you want. They'd always fired before, but hitting that command has resulted in several inbound Zero kills.

Go figure.

blubalou · 11-08-19, 12:37 AM

Thanks all for the responses.

I was thinking about it today (while at work)

and the thought occurred to me that in RL (or if I take off the training wheels) I should be avoiding aircraft at all costs rather than attempting to dog fight with a submarine, so I will consider just taking that advice and returning my focus to shooting ships.

As for the training mission. The first time I tried that, I had some success (and considerable fun) taking out aircraft. But then I was still running stock. I tried it again a few minutes ago and found that while the planes are not terribly accurate with TMOwTW, they do seem to absorb a lot more bullets. I splashed a couple of Zeros, but had no more luck taking down a sea plane than I did in career mode.

Red Devil · 11-08-19, 11:05 AM

I find it relatively easy if firing ahead of the aircraft. And don't bother at long range. But if I schedule crew to man AA and fire at will, my success rate increases quite a bit.

torpedobait · 11-12-19, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blubalou

Thanks all for the responses.

I was thinking about it today (while at work)

and the thought occurred to me that in RL (or if I take off the training wheels) I should be avoiding aircraft at all costs rather than attempting to dog fight with a submarine, so I will consider just taking that advice and returning my focus to shooting ships.

I think the recently found USS Graybill is a testimony to the "Avoid Planes at all costs" approach. Apparently, according to Japanese sources, she was attacked and bombed by Japanese aircraft, resulting in her being sunk and loss of all crew (I think). Better to dive if you can and go deep. Shooting back is a last resort if you are unable to dive, in my opinion.

Red Devil · 11-12-19, 02:20 PM

You mean USS Grayback

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50380521

jimmbbo · 11-12-19, 03:39 PM

Slightly O/T but early in the war, airplanes can sneak up on you and require immediate action to engage or submerge, making vigilance an important element...

Later in the war with improving radar technology, it becomes much easier to detect and avoid them (or take them on if that's your thing).

torpedobait · 11-13-19, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Devil

You mean USS Grayback

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50380521

Yes. I was going from my polluted memory.

Red Devil · 11-13-19, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedobait

Yes. I was going from my polluted memory.

at least yours is polluted, I cant even find mine

11-07-19, 03:11 AM	#1
blubalou Swabbie Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 6 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Tips for AA Accuracy? I just had an engagement with a sea plane that made 6 or 7 passes until I finally ran out of ammo. I got some smoke and flames after the first or second pass, but then after that, either I missed with over 500 rounds, or the plane was swiss cheese but still kept flying. (Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that the problem was the former.) I know I need to lead my shots.... and that gravity is working against me, but I feel like I need more than just a little practice; it seems more like there is something fundamentally wrong with my technique such that I could use some lessons or coaching. Anyone have some sage advice that can turn me into a dead-eye? BTW, I'm running TWOwTW and RSRD. Thanks! -blu

11-07-19, 04:05 AM	#2
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,091 Downloads: 466 Uploads: 0	Letting our crew doing the job is perfect...they know how to aim far better than us __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file

11-07-19, 08:22 AM	#3
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	You could also experiment with your technique, if you are insistent upon doing it yourself, by using the "SS02 Artillery" mission file in the Submarine School. It displays on the Submarine School list as "Artillery Training", and puts you on the surface near some merchant vessels that shoot at you, and then some planes that attempt to bomb and strafe you. It is much easier to get through that in Stock than TMO, which is easier to do than RFB, since TMO adds difficulty with a bumped-up AI, and RFB adds "weakness" to your sub's 'armor' level, so you'll be sunk rather quickly (even in wTw) if you and your crew aren't on their toes... and it will give you an idea of what to expect in a career if you don't avoid surface engagements of all kinds - especially with airplanes. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

11-07-19, 12:17 PM	#4
jimmbbo Run silent, run deep Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 225 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	FWIW, I avoid airplanes, diving when they're spotted.. My sub is a relatively large, slow and easy target for them, while they are at best a challenge for me to hit. I may be paranoid, but it seems the game AI directs the A/C to radio my position to IJN HQ and soon I have more company than I want. Don't see an upside to giving them the opportunity The only thing I use the AA for is sinking sampans and fishing boats with the 40mm Bofors being very effective for the task.

11-07-19, 09:52 PM	#5
Mios 4Me Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 394 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Even with elite crews manning 2x 40mm, we've never downed an incoming Zero and very few of anything else on their inbound runs, even on one memorable jag where we shot down 25-30 aircraft following the Battle of the Philippine Sea. For that matter, how can we get the 5" crews to engage with their weapons? It seems to be only a manual option, so I use the AA shells as a reserve for surface attack. ETA: apparently the "Target Incoming Aircraft" isn't to save ammo, but necessary for the crew to really figure out you what you want. They'd always fired before, but hitting that command has resulted in several inbound Zero kills. Go figure. Last edited by Mios 4Me; 11-12-19 at 07:32 PM. Reason: last paragraph

11-08-19, 12:37 AM	#6
blubalou Swabbie Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 6 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Thanks all for the responses. I was thinking about it today (while at work) and the thought occurred to me that in RL (or if I take off the training wheels) I should be avoiding aircraft at all costs rather than attempting to dog fight with a submarine, so I will consider just taking that advice and returning my focus to shooting ships. As for the training mission. The first time I tried that, I had some success (and considerable fun) taking out aircraft. But then I was still running stock. I tried it again a few minutes ago and found that while the planes are not terribly accurate with TMOwTW, they do seem to absorb a lot more bullets. I splashed a couple of Zeros, but had no more luck taking down a sea plane than I did in career mode.

11-08-19, 11:05 AM	#7
Red Devil The Old Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield England Posts: 1,540 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 0	I find it relatively easy if firing ahead of the aircraft. And don't bother at long range. But if I schedule crew to man AA and fire at will, my success rate increases quite a bit. __________________ > > Captain!, there's a destroyer on the por........ periscope is flooded Sir! > Darkness is only the absence of Light; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge © www.worldwartwo.uk www.captainwalker.uk

11-12-19, 02:20 PM	#9
Red Devil The Old Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield England Posts: 1,540 Downloads: 305 Uploads: 0	You mean USS Grayback https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50380521 __________________ > > Captain!, there's a destroyer on the por........ periscope is flooded Sir! > Darkness is only the absence of Light; Ignorance is only the absence of knowledge © www.worldwartwo.uk www.captainwalker.uk

11-12-19, 03:39 PM	#10
jimmbbo Run silent, run deep Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 225 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	Slightly O/T but early in the war, airplanes can sneak up on you and require immediate action to engage or submerge, making vigilance an important element... Later in the war with improving radar technology, it becomes much easier to detect and avoid them (or take them on if that's your thing).