Trying to figure out a way to make contacts disappear in periscope view

james_nix · 02-06-16, 03:34 AM

On the map I mean. So if I am on the surface map contacts will be there, but if I submerge, they will disappear. I have an idea that would simulate the tracking party on the surface, but since only you can see with the periscope they would be removed from the map.

I play with the subsensors sim file with sensor depth, my theory would be that the visual sensor (periscope) wouldn't activate until a certain depth but that didn't work. Any ideas?

cdrsubron7 · 02-06-16, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by james_nix

On the map I mean. So if I am on the surface map contacts will be there, but if I submerge, they will disappear. I have an idea that would simulate the tracking party on the surface, but since only you can see with the periscope they would be removed from the map.

I play with the subsensors sim file with sensor depth, my theory would be that the visual sensor (periscope) wouldn't activate until a certain depth but that didn't work. Any ideas?

I apologize if I've misunderstood what your asking. If you want to get rid of the map contacts just check the box in the Gameplay Settings labeled No map contacts. Checking this box will remove the map contacts ferom the navigation map.

james_nix · 02-07-16, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cdrsubron7

I apologize if I've misunderstood what your asking. If you want to get rid of the map contacts just check the box in the Gameplay Settings labeled No map contacts. Checking this box will remove the map contacts ferom the navigation map.

Thanks but I meant contacts on the map when surfaced, but disappear when submerged.

fitzcarraldo · 02-07-16, 07:14 PM

The contacts in the map are only visual. So they appear when surfaced or at periscope depth and with some scope up - this simulates your XO or crewman observing through the scope. All visual. When underwater without scope up or destroyed you have only sonar contacts or radar - if at radar depth. But this contacts are lines indicating direction of the contacts. In SH4 visual contacts prevail over all other contacts. So in the map the visual
contacts not ever are in the direction of the sonar lines.

Then you want a full contacts deployment when submerged but I don't know any mod or way for that.

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo

yubba · 02-10-16, 07:51 PM

I noticed in RFB 1 by acceident I normally run with no map contacts,, I started a campaign and didn't check on map updates off,, well cut to the chase you get updates till you zoom the map in to the plotter I'm using the 3000yrd plotter,,so the crew gets the plot set up at long range ,, with radar and visual,,..and you do the shot set up.,, the mod that would be cool ,, is if you can make it so when you are at periscope you click range and bearing a mark shows up on the map.

james_nix · 02-10-16, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba

I noticed in RFB 1 by acceident I normally run with no map contacts,, I started a campaign and didn't check on map updates off,, well cut to the chase you get updates till you zoom the map in to the plotter I'm using the 3000yrd plotter,,so the crew gets the plot set up at long range ,, with radar and visual,,..and you do the shot set up.,, the mod that would be cool ,, is if you can make it so when you are at periscope you click range and bearing a mark shows up on the map.

Actually I have been experimenting with this http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1328 Assisted Plotting mod. It's for SH3 but seems to work ok for SH4 so far.

You just have to change a parameter or two to get your own sub bearing plotter back.

The mod makes all contacts invisible unless you click it, and makes sonar lines show direction, not distance.

yubba · 03-07-16, 02:16 PM

It's definitely a mix bag,, just when you think you got plot right the target is running over top of you,, getting the speed right is critical,, lately I've been lousing up some nice shots,,,it probably has something to do with torpedo speed it happens at low speed setting.

Hitman · 03-08-16, 11:13 AM

I don't remember for sure, but IIRC the periscope and the visual (bridge crew) are separated items. In which case you could theoretically make a blind periscope, so that the crew would not see anything through it and only you would, effectively not rendering anything on the map.

Note 1: This would also eliminate the auto targetting mode when submerged

Note 2: Theoretically it should not affect the ST radar attached to the scope, that still would add contacts to the map when you raise it while submerged.

yubba · 03-08-16, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

I don't remember for sure, but IIRC the periscope and the visual (bridge crew) are separated items. In which case you could theoretically make a blind periscope, so that the crew would not see anything through it and only you would, effectively not rendering anything on the map.

Note 1: This would also eliminate the auto targetting mode when submerged

Note 2: Theoretically it should not affect the ST radar attached to the scope, that still would add contacts to the map when you raise it while submerged.

Is that ST radar that is attached to the scope of ww2 subs is that modeled into the game ?? I remember reading about real life use of it then it got to be a problem the enemy could detect it..

Hitman · 03-08-16, 04:53 PM

IIRC Trigger Maru added it, not sure about RFB. There is no display for it, it just makes the contacts appear at the navmap.

yubba · 03-08-16, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

IIRC Trigger Maru added it, not sure about RFB. There is no display for it, it just makes the contacts appear at the navmap.

,,I wonder if someone could run that into the A-scope.,of radar..

I ran TMO for awhile,, it took for ever to come across a target,, and if I did it would be some sub hunter, I'd see him 10,000 yds away submerged watching him through the scope stopped even damn if he wouldn't come right in to my lap running late 42 early43 out of Fremantle in and around the Java sea

02-06-16, 03:34 AM	#1
james_nix What's happenin' Cap'n'? Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 325 Downloads: 719 Uploads: 6	Trying to figure out a way to make contacts disappear in periscope view On the map I mean. So if I am on the surface map contacts will be there, but if I submerge, they will disappear. I have an idea that would simulate the tracking party on the surface, but since only you can see with the periscope they would be removed from the map. I play with the subsensors sim file with sensor depth, my theory would be that the visual sensor (periscope) wouldn't activate until a certain depth but that didn't work. Any ideas? __________________ USS COPPERFINS-05

02-07-16, 07:14 PM	#4
fitzcarraldo Argentinian Skipper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Somewhere between Buenos Aires and the Bungo Suido Posts: 5,318 Downloads: 3346 Uploads: 0	The contacts in the map are only visual. So they appear when surfaced or at periscope depth and with some scope up - this simulates your XO or crewman observing through the scope. All visual. When underwater without scope up or destroyed you have only sonar contacts or radar - if at radar depth. But this contacts are lines indicating direction of the contacts. In SH4 visual contacts prevail over all other contacts. So in the map the visual contacts not ever are in the direction of the sonar lines. Then you want a full contacts deployment when submerged but I don't know any mod or way for that. Best regards. Fitzcarraldo __________________ *My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity - Wilfred Owen.*

03-07-16, 02:16 PM	#7
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	It's definitely a mix bag,, just when you think you got plot right the target is running over top of you,, getting the speed right is critical,, lately I've been lousing up some nice shots,,,it probably has something to do with torpedo speed it happens at low speed setting. Last edited by yubba; 03-08-16 at 01:07 PM.

03-08-16, 11:13 AM	#8
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	I don't remember for sure, but IIRC the periscope and the visual (bridge crew) are separated items. In which case you could theoretically make a blind periscope, so that the crew would not see anything through it and only you would, effectively not rendering anything on the map. Note 1: This would also eliminate the auto targetting mode when submerged Note 2: Theoretically it should not affect the ST radar attached to the scope, that still would add contacts to the map when you raise it while submerged. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-08-16, 04:53 PM	#10
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	IIRC Trigger Maru added it, not sure about RFB. There is no display for it, it just makes the contacts appear at the navmap. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

02-10-16, 07:51 PM	#5
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I noticed in RFB 1 by acceident I normally run with no map contacts,, I started a campaign and didn't check on map updates off,, well cut to the chase you get updates till you zoom the map in to the plotter I'm using the 3000yrd plotter,,so the crew gets the plot set up at long range ,, with radar and visual,,..and you do the shot set up.,, the mod that would be cool ,, is if you can make it so when you are at periscope you click range and bearing a mark shows up on the map.