So, the german government has "decided" against a hearing of Snowden

Catfish · 04-30-14, 01:30 PM

Listen up, when you stand up for real freedom and democracy you better not come to this country.

That is what democracy, freedom of speech and liberty is about, in Germany!

With the justification that it might damage the "good relations", with the USA. Against the will of the people, against the truth, and against all common sense.

Words escape me.
They have to be tried for treachery, and deserve a beating out of the Bundestag, all of them !

Mittelwaechter · 04-30-14, 02:11 PM

What a wretched situation.

See you monday evening in the streets.

Flamebatter90 · 04-30-14, 02:23 PM

That's how the world revolves I'm afraid.

One can be sacrificed for the "greater good".

Schroeder · 04-30-14, 02:45 PM

@Catfish
Did you really expect anything else from a CDU/SPD government? There was never a chance, never!

Betonov · 04-30-14, 04:28 PM

He was lucky.

our little vassal of a ''government'' would behead him and offered his head to Obama like Ptolemey offered Pompeuses head to Ceasar

Cybermat47 · 04-30-14, 07:05 PM

So, I'm a bit confused. Is Snowden good or bad? Because giving people information they should know about seem good to me.

Oberon · 04-30-14, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Is Snowden good or bad?

Yes

u crank · 04-30-14, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Yes

Good answer.....

Stealhead · 04-30-14, 08:01 PM

Great answer....err what u crank said.

Skybird · 05-01-14, 05:31 AM

Technically and formally, Stauffenberg was a traitor and assassin. But I have not heard so far that somebody outside the Nazi scene tries to make that a moral argument against him.

Snowden, what he did - was necessary. That's how I rate him: necessary. Whether it will have a lasting effect, will mean a lasting change, is something different - and the answer is No. But nobody has any excuse anymore to just trust "them" and believe all those stupid manipulative lies they are telling us.

Nobody has an excuse anymore not to know it better.

Jimbuna · 05-01-14, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Yes

LOL

ETR3(SS) · 05-01-14, 07:55 AM

There's a fine line between being a traitor and a patriot. And really depending upon your perspective he's both. He exposed the government for it's lies (which we all suspected anyways but this just proved it).

I am not a terrorist, yet when I go to the airport I'm treated as one (potentially). Having served post 9/11, DHS considers me a credible threat to the state (spoken potential terrorist). The fed (regardless of administration) has fostered an environment of fear of terrorism to justify its abuses of the Constitution.

Now was what Snowden did illegal. Sure. But he did it anyways because he thought the American people had a right to know of these abuses. Unfortunately he didn't account for the shear amounts of apathy and ignorance the average American has, which ultimately made it all pointless.

Mittelwaechter · 05-01-14, 08:59 AM

If your law is inhumane and totalitarian, resistance and treason are duty.

This is true, even if 50% of some very special, extraordinary, blessed, exceptional, remarkably, free and superior folks support this law and make their youth fight, kill and die for it all over the world.

Just some simple learnings from German history.

Wolferz · 05-01-14, 07:13 PM

It all boils down to rampant paranoia on the part of certain people within our government. It's nothing new. It's been going on since before our independence. Now, if other governments wish to squelch the truth, then you know who they jumped into bed with and why.

"The government is a monster and it will not obey"
~Steppenwolf~

Catfish · 05-02-14, 02:30 AM

This is the reason, why there will be no interview in Germany:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutsc...-a-967144.html

A legal opinion from the US, to apply pressure on the german government. Ah.

Not the same article, but some background in english:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157689/201...r-us-pressure/

As i said before, no friendship between nations, only interests. "He who has such friends, does not need enemies".
But how could we have thought that things would improve, after 1989 ? Time for a new assessment.

Maybe we should try our politicians for treason, against their own people ?

04-30-14, 01:30 PM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,768 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	So, the german government has "decided" against a hearing of Snowden Listen up, when you stand up for real freedom and democracy you better not come to this country. That is what democracy, freedom of speech and liberty is about, in Germany! With the justification that it might damage the "good relations", with the USA. Against the will of the people, against the truth, and against all common sense. Words escape me. They have to be tried for treachery, and deserve a beating out of the Bundestag, all of them !

04-30-14, 02:11 PM	#2
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	What a wretched situation. See you monday evening in the streets. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

04-30-14, 02:45 PM	#4
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	@Catfish Did you really expect anything else from a CDU/SPD government? There was never a chance, never! __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

04-30-14, 07:05 PM	#6
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,408 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 23	So, I'm a bit confused. Is Snowden good or bad? Because giving people information they should know about seem good to me. __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394

05-01-14, 05:31 AM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,655 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Technically and formally, Stauffenberg was a traitor and assassin. But I have not heard so far that somebody outside the Nazi scene tries to make that a moral argument against him. Snowden, what he did - was necessary. That's how I rate him: necessary. Whether it will have a lasting effect, will mean a lasting change, is something different - and the answer is No. But nobody has any excuse anymore to just trust "them" and believe all those stupid manipulative lies they are telling us. Nobody has an excuse anymore not to know it better. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-30-14, 02:23 PM	#3
Flamebatter90 Medic Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 167 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	That's how the world revolves I'm afraid. One can be sacrificed for the "greater good".

04-30-14, 04:28 PM	#5
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	He was lucky. our little vassal of a ''government'' would behead him and offered his head to Obama like Ptolemey offered Pompeuses head to Ceasar

04-30-14, 08:01 PM	#9
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Great answer....err what u crank said.

05-01-14, 07:55 AM	#12
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	There's a fine line between being a traitor and a patriot. And really depending upon your perspective he's both. He exposed the government for it's lies (which we all suspected anyways but this just proved it). I am not a terrorist, yet when I go to the airport I'm treated as one (potentially). Having served post 9/11, DHS considers me a credible threat to the state (spoken potential terrorist). The fed (regardless of administration) has fostered an environment of fear of terrorism to justify its abuses of the Constitution. Now was what Snowden did illegal. Sure. But he did it anyways because he thought the American people had a right to know of these abuses. Unfortunately he didn't account for the shear amounts of apathy and ignorance the average American has, which ultimately made it all pointless. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

05-01-14, 08:59 AM	#13
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	If your law is inhumane and totalitarian, resistance and treason are duty. This is true, even if 50% of some very special, extraordinary, blessed, exceptional, remarkably, free and superior folks support this law and make their youth fight, kill and die for it all over the world. Just some simple learnings from German history. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

05-01-14, 07:13 PM	#14
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	It all boils down to rampant paranoia on the part of certain people within our government. It's nothing new. It's been going on since before our independence. Now, if other governments wish to squelch the truth, then you know who they jumped into bed with and why. "The government is a monster and it will not obey" ~Steppenwolf~ __________________ Tomorrow never comes

05-02-14, 02:30 AM	#15
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,768 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	This is the reason, why there will be no interview in Germany: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutsc...-a-967144.html A legal opinion from the US, to apply pressure on the german government. Ah. Not the same article, but some background in english: http://www.vosizneias.com/157689/201...r-us-pressure/ As i said before, no friendship between nations, only interests. "He who has such friends, does not need enemies". But how could we have thought that things would improve, after 1989 ? Time for a new assessment. Maybe we should try our politicians for treason, against their own people ? Last edited by Catfish; 05-02-14 at 02:41 AM.