Which type of detonator do you prefer? - Page 2

Dantenoc · 03-07-06, 06:34 PM

I always use impact pistols, unless I pull a dog-fighting maneuver and go for a "six - o'clock" shot.

There's something I don't get, though... weren't "magnetic" torps in real life set for BOTH magnetic and impact? Got really frustrated at the begining when a couple of times the magnetics would go "clank" against the target and do nothing.... well, almost nothing, a couple of times I've had it happen that they bounce back a bit after hiting the target, and then they go at it again an succeed in going "under the keel"

... anyway, the point is that there should be a way to rig the for both

bookworm_020 · 03-07-06, 06:52 PM

It depends on the amount of time and target I have in the scope. Mags a good for convoy attack when you want to send torps after the bigger ships in the center and you have small fry in the way.

Impact for any rapid fire shots and 90 degree beam shots that appear.

As long as it sinks, then it's all academic

Dantenoc · 03-07-06, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Mags a good for convoy attack when you want to send torps after the bigger ships in the center and you have small fry in the way.

Excellent sugestion... one of the few tactical situations where magnetic is a must indeed

Floater · 03-07-06, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantenoc

There's something I don't get, though... weren't "magnetic" torps in real life set for BOTH magnetic and impact? Got really frustrated at the begining when a couple of times the magnetics would go "clank" against the target and do nothing.... well, almost nothing, a couple of times I've had it happen that they bounce back a bit after hiting the target, and then they go at it again an succeed in going "under the keel"

... anyway, the point is that there should be a way to rig the for both

You're right - real eels were either set for impact-only or impact+magnetic. It seems to be modelled in the game that way, too.

What you're probably seeing is that a deeper setting was used, anticipating a magnetic detonation, but it wasn't deep enough for magnetic or shallow enough for impact - the torpedo hit the curve of the hull and was destroyed by the hit. The magnetic pistol didn't have chance to activate, not being under the bulk of the ship yet, and the impact pistol didn't detonate because the torpedo met the hull at an angle (due to the curve of the hull).

Dantenoc · 03-07-06, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Floater

You're right - real eels were either set for impact-only or impact+magnetic. It seems to be modelled in the game that way, too.

I'll try it again right now

winters · 03-07-06, 07:47 PM

A shot with a mag torp 1 meter below the center keel cracks them in two each and every time.

zzsteven · 03-07-06, 07:57 PM

"A shot with a mag torp 1 meter below the center keel cracks them in two each and every time."

Except for the small merch I sank 15 minutes ago. He slowly settled down and sank on an even keel. Have never seen that type of sinking before.

zz

Takeda Shingen · 03-07-06, 08:02 PM

Wait a minute: We have torpedoes? I've been ramming all this time.

03-08-06, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Wait a minute: We have torpedoes? I've been ramming all this time.

I'm assuming you use Rammer's 'Super-duper Bow Armor' Mod?

Takeda Shingen · 03-08-06, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I'm assuming you use Rammer's 'Super-duper Bow Armor' Mod?

Yes, and the 'Man on bow with sharp sitck' mod as well.

U-104 · 03-08-06, 05:08 PM

:rotfl:

U-Dog · 03-08-06, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Voted "I always miss"; actually I used only magnetics until 1940, when the Powers That Be removed them all from service. I will start using them again when BdU allows them back into service-1942, I think, but I'll check again before I start using them.

Was that all magnetic torpedoes or just the electrics? I'd thought the only problem was with the depth keeping thingie (scientific term) on the electric eels (biology term) ??

So i've been keeping with all steam & letting the others figure out what the problem is with the new ones.

Or was it a problem with mags in rough waters prematurely....well you know...
? :hmm:

Tonnage_Ace · 03-09-06, 01:19 AM

I've been rolling this around my head and haven't gotten the chance to test it out but I was wondering if anyone else has:

With the vulnerability mod, you can see the ships weak spots, my question is that, where it shows the 'keel', if you shoot a mag torp directly in the middle of that blue area, is that the equivalent of hitting a ship's fuel bunker with an impact torp? Ergo, it will split in two? Also, it seems that hitting a ship under the keel, directly below the fuel bunker does less damage than an impact shot, 4m below the waterline in the same area, maybe I was off by a meter but it seems, when I go for the fuel bunker, an impact shot at 4m will take one torp while a magnetic torp will take two in the same place to take effect.

bookworm_020 · 03-09-06, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonnage_Ace

I've been rolling this around my head and haven't gotten the chance to test it out but I was wondering if anyone else has:

With the vulnerability mod, you can see the ships weak spots, my question is that, where it shows the 'keel', if you shoot a mag torp directly in the middle of that blue area, is that the equivalent of hitting a ship's fuel bunker with an impact torp? Ergo, it will split in two? Also, it seems that hitting a ship under the keel, directly below the fuel bunker does less damage than an impact shot, 4m below the waterline in the same area, maybe I was off by a meter but it seems, when I go for the fuel bunker, an impact shot at 4m will take one torp while a magnetic torp will take two in the same place to take effect.

It seems to be the same for mag as it is for impact, the ships sink without a list if you use mag, while they seem to roll over with impact.
:hmm:

AO1_AW_SW_USN · 03-09-06, 04:59 AM

Note that I'm an IXC skipper. So this may (or may not) reflect the same tonnage amounts for a Type VII U-boat skipper, all due to a smaller torpedo loadout.

Before, I averaged between 30,000-55,000 tons per patrol using the G7e Type II or Type III torpedos relying on mainly magnetic pistols. Most of the time a target took multiple hits before it sank.

Then I downloaded the Full Vulnerability Mod.

Now I average between 80,000 to 120,000 in tonnage per patrol... all due to a 90% one torpedo kill with an electrical powered, impact pistol actuated torpedo running no deeper than 8m (for the C3 Cargo).

The engine compartments, fuel bunkers and ammunition spaces are what you should aim for.The results will show!

So in all, the best results for me: IMPACT !!!!

View Poll Results: Which type of torpedo detonator do you prefer?
Magnetic	33	30.00%
Impact	31	28.18%
Depends on the weather	37	33.64%
I don't know - I always miss	9	8.18%
Voters: 110. You may not vote on this poll

03-07-06, 06:52 PM	#17
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	It depends on the amount of time and target I have in the scope. Mags a good for convoy attack when you want to send torps after the bigger ships in the center and you have small fry in the way. Impact for any rapid fire shots and 90 degree beam shots that appear. As long as it sinks, then it's all academic __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

03-07-06, 07:47 PM	#21
winters Bosun Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A shot with a mag torp 1 meter below the center keel cracks them in two each and every time. __________________ \"We\'re paratroopers. we\'re supposed to be surrounded\" ~ Cpt. Richard Winters ~ Bastogne Belgium, Winter 1944

03-08-06, 05:08 PM	#26
U-104 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: United States Posts: 797 Downloads: 187 Uploads: 0	:rotfl: __________________ My heart is steadfast, O God. I will sing and make music with all my soul. Ps. 108:1 Survival of the fittest does not explain arrival of the fittest. we live in a single spoken sentence.. "God said, let there be"

03-09-06, 04:59 AM	#30
AO1_AW_SW_USN Loader Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas USA Posts: 85 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	Note that I'm an IXC skipper. So this may (or may not) reflect the same tonnage amounts for a Type VII U-boat skipper, all due to a smaller torpedo loadout. Before, I averaged between 30,000-55,000 tons per patrol using the G7e Type II or Type III torpedos relying on mainly magnetic pistols. Most of the time a target took multiple hits before it sank. Then I downloaded the Full Vulnerability Mod. Now I average between 80,000 to 120,000 in tonnage per patrol... all due to a 90% one torpedo kill with an electrical powered, impact pistol actuated torpedo running no deeper than 8m (for the C3 Cargo). The engine compartments, fuel bunkers and ammunition spaces are what you should aim for.The results will show! So in all, the best results for me: IMPACT !!!! __________________ Give me an Army of West Point Graduates, and I'll win a battle... give me a handful of Texas Aggies, and I'll win a war!! George S. Patton (1885 - 1945)

03-07-06, 06:34 PM	#16
Dantenoc Captain Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ensenada, B.C., Mexico Posts: 504 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I always use impact pistols, unless I pull a dog-fighting maneuver and go for a "six - o'clock" shot. There's something I don't get, though... weren't "magnetic" torps in real life set for BOTH magnetic and impact? Got really frustrated at the begining when a couple of times the magnetics would go "clank" against the target and do nothing.... well, almost nothing, a couple of times I've had it happen that they bounce back a bit after hiting the target, and then they go at it again an succeed in going "under the keel" ... anyway, the point is that there should be a way to rig the for both

03-07-06, 07:57 PM	#22
zzsteven Chief Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 319 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"A shot with a mag torp 1 meter below the center keel cracks them in two each and every time." Except for the small merch I sank 15 minutes ago. He slowly settled down and sank on an even keel. Have never seen that type of sinking before. zz

03-07-06, 08:02 PM	#23
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Wait a minute: We have torpedoes? I've been ramming all this time.

03-09-06, 01:19 AM	#28
Tonnage_Ace XO Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 411 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I've been rolling this around my head and haven't gotten the chance to test it out but I was wondering if anyone else has: With the vulnerability mod, you can see the ships weak spots, my question is that, where it shows the 'keel', if you shoot a mag torp directly in the middle of that blue area, is that the equivalent of hitting a ship's fuel bunker with an impact torp? Ergo, it will split in two? Also, it seems that hitting a ship under the keel, directly below the fuel bunker does less damage than an impact shot, 4m below the waterline in the same area, maybe I was off by a meter but it seems, when I go for the fuel bunker, an impact shot at 4m will take one torp while a magnetic torp will take two in the same place to take effect.