The Coup D'etat of November 1963

[Bubblehead1980]

Coming up on the 50th Anniversary of JFK's assassination, amazes me how many people still believe the "official" story when all the evidence clearly contradicts the story. Amazes me how many people have not bothered to research. JFK went up against the power structure of this country, the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned about, and was murdered for this, Federal Reserve had a hand it in, being part of the power structure threatened by Kennedy.Used to write all this off as conspiracy theory myself but it makes much more sense than that single shooter, like Oswald said, he was just a Patsy. Aside from the reasons, the ballistics just do not back up the one shooter theory.Sad part is, no one will ever be held accountable for this, those involved are dead or will be soon.Those who orchestrated it, Lyndon Johnson, Allen Dulles, dead.Truth needs to come out though so that those involved can be scorned by history, not praised.Johnson was a thug, and should be remembered as such.

[Cybermat47]

Well, it's Doctor Who's 50th Anniversary on the 23rd, so it's not all bad.

R.I.P. JFK.

And Bubbles, do you really have to blame the US government for everything?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Well, it's Doctor Who's 50th Anniversary on the 23rd, so it's not all bad.

R.I.P. JFK.

And Bubbles, do you really have to blame the US government for everything?

No, but it happens that they are at fault for vast majority of our problems, so they deserve it.

[Sailor Steve]

Sorry, but it has been shown that everything that happened could have been done by one man, and easily so. I agree, Johnson was a thug. That doesn't mean he did it, or Castro, or the CIA, or anybody else. Unfortunately once again all you have is allegation and innuendo, and not a single shred of real, concrete evidence.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Sorry, but it has been shown that everything that happened could have been done by one man, and easily so. I agree, Johnson was a thug. That doesn't mean he did it, or Castro, or the CIA, or anybody else. Unfortunately once again all you have is allegation and innuendo, and not a single shred of real, concrete evidence.

Really? The magic bullet? really? lol no way it could do that. That bullet, being in pristine condition after hitting dense bone etc? don't think so.Governor Connolly was hit in the wrist, Sorry, there is just too much that shows one man, with that slow firing rifle, a moving target, could have did all that damage with two shots(one missed if I recall). The triangulation of crossfire make more sense, with Oswald, thinking he was "in" but was not, set up as the patsy.There are just too many loose ends, and suddenly people started getting knocked off.The guy Tommy Lee Jones played in JFK, Clay Shaw, later confirmed by Richard Helms to have worked for the CIA.

The motives, means, and opportunity were there and ballistics support multiple shooters, as well as various witnesses, some who were suppressed and others who died mysteriously, it all fits and makes much more sense than a lone nut managed to pull off shots many skilled marksmen could not.Seriously, how did they ID Oswald so quickly? never made any sense.No prints were found on the gun initially, then suddenly after Oswald is dead, they found a palm print.


Kennedy was standing up to the old guard in the CIA and the federal reserve, etc they decided to off him, Johnson was probably not the ringleader but believe he knew about it and signed off on it.Kennedy was screwing with power and money, possibly naive on the dangerous it presented to himself or figured they would never go "that far" or perhaps since he felt he would never live to be an old man anyways due to health problems, did not scare him to push it as much.

Motives aside, the ballistics just don't make any sense for a single shooter, where as a triangulation of crossfire, would account for so much, and thus means this was much more than a lone nut with a cheap rifle, making some impossible shots.

[Armistead]

I have to agree with Bubble, the entire thing stinks.

"A Congressional Investigation from 1976-1979 found a "probable conspiracy" in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and recommended the Justice Department investigate further. As of 1991, the Justice Department has done nothing. The files of the House Select Committee on Assassinations are locked away until the year 2029."

If it was just Oswald, strange the files won't be released until everyone involved is long dead. It certainly has no bearing on our national security now.

[Bubblehead1980]

The big thing is the ballistics and reality of what happened.Really, the official version is three shots fired, two hit Kennedy, one missed.The second bullet fired hit Kennedy in the throat and third was the head shot, the fatal shot.Yet Oswald would be behind him at this point, but the shot clearly hit him from the front and blew out the back of Kennedy's head.The fatal shot likely came from grassy knoll, where as many witnesses claimed gunfire came from.The limo had holes in front also and was immediately cleaned up and repaired.

No doubt's about multiple shooters, triangulation of crossfire. The motives seem to be mostly with the old guard taking out Kennedy as he posed a threat.

A second likely scenario is that the Cubans/Soviets were behind it, a massive intelligence failure occurred and a cover up was made to avoid the masses pushing for war over this.I find the former much more likely but the later is possible.


The Professor in this video, puts things together well.

[Armistead]

Anyone that shoots know that head shot was from the front.

[Wolferz]

Most don't consider exactly who the Kennedy brothers were trying to take down at the time. I won't mention any names because offering no proof kind of rankles Steve a bit. I know why it rankles you Steve, even if you don't.

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter that the government has been stolen from the people by weasels. Blame it on George Washington. He started it when he recruited our first spies.



Nathan Hale

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Really? The magic bullet? really? lol no way it could do that. That bullet, being in pristine condition after hitting dense bone etc?

Several test bullets were fired into a variety of materials during the investigation and since, and most of them were in similar condition. Yes way it could do that lol. (Yes, I'm mocking your style and attitude, but not your thesis).

Governor Connolly was hit in the wrist, Sorry, there is just too much that shows one man, with that slow firing rifle, a moving target, could have did all that damage with two shots(one missed if I recall).

Not at all. Jacketed rifle bullets are perfectly capable of penetrating two bodies.

The triangulation of crossfire make more sense

Then you have the problem of where the other shot(s) was fired from. Every other position has been shown to be either populated or out of the line of fire.

The motives, means, and opportunity were there and ballistics support multiple shooters

Only because you want them to. In fact they can easily support either supposition.

as well as various witnesses, some who were suppressed and others who died mysteriously

Very convenient. How "mysteriously" is mysteriously?

it all fits and makes much more sense than a lone nut managed to pull off shots many skilled marksmen could not.

There you are totally off base. Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter while in the marines. In a later test his rating was reduced to marksman. He also practiced with that rifle at the local range.

Second, the range is given as 88 yards. I have put five bullets into a target at 100 yards in a handful of seconds, with my Springfield, with no scope. I consider myself an average shot at best, but with a scope I'm confident that I could have made those shots.

Third, the event has been recreated many times, and every time a trained marksman was able to make the shots. So your claim of "a skilled marksman could not" has been proven wrong more than once.

Seriously, how did they ID Oswald so quickly? never made any sense.

When the police sealed off the building they interrogated several employees, including the boss, who all saw Oswald in the building around the time of the assassination. When they took a head count Oswald's superviser noted that Oswald was the only empoyee missing.

No prints were found on the gun initially, then suddenly after Oswald is dead, they found a palm print.

The partial palm print was found on the underside of the upper barrel, which is covered by the stock. This is consistent with Oswald handling the rifle while disassembled. Nothing unusual at all for someone who likely took the gun apart on a regular basis.

Of course in the interest of the other side anyone could have used the rifle to do the shooting, and Oswald's print would have been there all along. Also it is certainly possible that the print was a plant made after the fact, or that it was never there at all.

Kennedy was standing up to the old guard in the CIA and the federal reserve, etc they decided to off him, Johnson was probably not the ringleader but believe he knew about it and signed off on it.Kennedy was screwing with power and money, possibly naive on the dangerous it presented to himself or figured they would never go "that far" or perhaps since he felt he would never live to be an old man anyways due to health problems, did not scare him to push it as much.

All conjecture.

Motives aside, the ballistics just don't make any sense for a single shooter, where as a triangulation of crossfire, would account for so much, and thus means this was much more than a lone nut with a cheap rifle, making some impossible shots.

Again, the shots were not only possible, but fairly easy for someone with Oswald's training. Also you need to show where the other shooters could be in the heavy population watching the motorcade. So far it's all been speculation.

Don't get me wrong. I don't deny that any conspiracy is possible, but I like to see more evidence than just "could haves". Once again you seem to be absolutely convinced of your claims and unwilling to accept any other possibility.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Anyone that shoots know that head shot was from the front.

"Anyone"? I don't, and I know others more experienced than I am who also don't "know" that.

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Most don't consider exactly who the Kennedy brothers were trying to take down at the time. I won't mention any names because offering no proof kind of rankles Steve a bit. I know why it rankles you Steve, even if you don't.

Then you know nothing. It doesn't bother me a bit. That's a nice way of getting around the fact that if you don't have proof you don't have anything.

But I'll bite. Why does it "rankle" me?

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not at all. Jacketed rifle bullets are perfectly capable of penetrating two bodies.

Indeed anyone who thinks other wise has not fired very many firearms jacketed rounds will penetrate multiple bodies all day long especially higher velocity ones.

Even expanding rounds can over penetrate in fact it not a 100% guarantee that an expanding round will be able to expand at close range the velocity can be too high to allow for expansion in time.

Furthermore a single round can hit bone other solid object and deflect even shatter and the fragments can still be deadly for several feet.

All of that is highly likely to occur at the range Oswald fired from.

I must agree with Sailor Steve I have been shooting for years and I would not be able to tell by how the head and body reacted what direction a hit came from.I fail to see how being a shooter some how automatically make you an expert at how the human body reacts to bullets beyond the obvious facts like when a person is hit in the right place they drop like jello and in other places they lie down and die and others they crawl away and bleed out.

[Bubblehead1980]

Steve, I have considered other possibilities, for a long time I believed in the single shooter theory, but based on research etc, just does not make sense.

Sorry, yes bullet impacts can make human body do weird things, but the Kennedy head wound entering from the back , exploding the back of his head, coming out the front with a neat hole? reversing the entrance and exit wounds? lol come on now.The film is there, he clearly recoils back from taking a hit to the forehead/temple area, bullet exits out the back.Bullet was damaged, mangled from what I have read.Yet the supposed second shot from Oswald, the magic bullet, hit Kennedy in the back, exited his throat, went through hit Governor Connolly, did some zigs like it had a tiny rocket motor in it, exited, his his wrist and survived intact? come on now.

Like anything, government has a weak explanation that it peddles to contradict the truth.RFK allegedly made the statement "If the truth about Dallas came out, there would be blood in the streets"


This professor gives a great run down, you would enjoy the detail he goes into, mentions many who died in suspect manners in the years after, those who could put holes in the official story, including a mistress of JFK.Holds an interview with LBJ's former mistress.One man who is in prison claims to be the grassy knoll shooter and the professor provides great explanation of why he believes him.Mentions E Howard Hunt's deathbed confession.


Really, if it were one person or two but it's many, some stayed quiet out of fear, others were silenced long ago, just watch the video, it is worth it.

[Cybermat47]

I just saw some footage of the JFK assassination. It looks like it's the right side of his face that exploded, not the back.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

I just saw some footage of the JFK assassination. It looks like it's the right side of his face that exploded, not the back.

Post a link? The Zapruder Film clearly shows him jerk back then forward to the left, slumped, back of his clearly blown out.There are autopsy photos that show back of his head blown out, the exit wound of the mangled bullet.