Government Shutdown

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Where does everyone else go then?

Mexico.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Mexico.

Or Canada.

Anyway, didn't you guys try that before? Back in the 1860s...

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Where does everyone else go then?

Your home is your home. Anyone who values everything that home is may have to pick a side.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Anyway, didn't you guys try that before? Back in the 1860s...

Yes, it was a split decision.

[Dowly]

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm here to 5. Try the veal.

Originally Posted by Platapus

My biggest gripe is that the Speaker is preventing a bill to be voted upon. I think it is scandalous that one person can prevent a vote -- normally the cornerstone of democracy. I wish that the House rules would allow the members to override a vote infringement action on the part of the speaker.

But the house makes the house rules. And since both parties take advantage of the rules, neither side is eager to change the rules.

you cant single out the house for that, harry reid in the senate has refused to bring upwards of 200 bills passed by the house and sent to the senate floor for a vote. yes around 50 of those are repealing obamacare but it should still be voted on and passed or thrown out but not left in limbo forever. they also, in violation of the constitution, haven't produced a budget for the government in over 4 years and that is the only reason they must do these continuing resolutions to operate off the last budget passed during obamas first year where spending levels rose a record 500% over the record setting new spending in bush's last year with the war and all the bailouts.

thew house does the same thing as well so that should change but not just for one side


there should be a mandated time (call it 2-3 months so they have time for all their silly commities to change it) that any bill brought to the floor in the house floor or the senate floor MUST be brought to a full vote no matter how much the majority party doesn't like or want it to be voted on. that would be better government and politicians would have to record their vote on issues instead of avoiding them.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Your home is your home. Anyone who values everything that home is may have to pick a side.

Well I pick neither side so I recon that makes me un American.If I agree with neither there is no benefit to me and it would mean that if the two sides Neal mentioned where the only option if either win I loose.

In that case I'd find a new home rather than kneel to one of two sides that I do not agree with.Because a completely liberal state or a completely conservative state no dice.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well I pick neither side so I recon that makes me un American.If I agree with neither there is no benefit to me and it would mean that if the two sides Neal mentioned where the only option if either win I loose.

In that case I'd find a new home rather than kneel to one of two sides that I do not agree with.Because a completely liberal state or a completely conservative state no dice.

Unamerican? IMO what home is by name is irrelevant. America, Canada, Germany, Japan, it doesn't matter. Home to me, is everything you know and love. It's your friends, your family, your property, your neighbors, your community. It's also your ability to come and go as you please and to make your own choices for yourself. It is also, IMO, the only thing in this world worth fighting for. Home isn't always perfect, but in the end it's still home, and you have to make a stand somewhere.

Now on liberal vs conservative state, I think it's obvious I've already made that choice, though not by design. In fact I live in the most conservative county, in the most conservative state. However, personally, I'm not big on religion, I could care less about abortion, gay marriage, and all the other big social hot topics of the day that Left or Right tend to get butt hurt over. To me, it's all small stuff when compared to your enumerated rights, and your ability to live your life how you see fit. Needless to say, I don't sweat the small stuff.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Webster

you cant single out the house for that, harry reid in the senate has refused to bring upwards of 200 bills passed by the house and sent to the senate floor for a vote. yes around 50 of those are repealing obamacare but it should still be voted on and passed or thrown out but not left in limbo forever. they also, in violation of the constitution, haven't produced a budget for the government in over 4 years and that is the only reason they must do these continuing resolutions to operate off the last budget passed during obamas first year where spending levels rose a record 500% over the record setting new spending in bush's last year with the war and all the bailouts.

thew house does the same thing as well so that should change but not just for one side


there should be a mandated time (call it 2-3 months so they have time for all their silly commities to change it) that any bill brought to the floor in the house floor or the senate floor MUST be brought to a full vote no matter how much the majority party doesn't like or want it to be voted on. that would be better government and politicians would have to record their vote on issues instead of avoiding them.

Your argument sounds good Webster I don't have time to look these items up, so I hope your right.

What is demanding a full vote mean? I thought the Senate controlled by Harry Reid, democrat majority leader from Nevada and a Latter Day Saint, passed a bill that just a simple majority of votes now wins, but does your post mean a full vote of every senator would be required?

[Stealhead]

This is real America to me.

Not the crap on 24 hour news or in DC.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Webster

you cant single out the house for that, harry reid in the senate has refused to bring upwards of 200 bills passed by the house and sent to the senate floor for a vote. yes around 50 of those are repealing obamacare but it should still be voted on and passed or thrown out but not left in limbo forever. they also, in violation of the constitution, haven't produced a budget for the government in over 4 years and that is the only reason they must do these continuing resolutions to operate off the last budget passed during obamas first year where spending levels rose a record 500% over the record setting new spending in bush's last year with the war and all the bailouts.

thew house does the same thing as well so that should change but not just for one side


there should be a mandated time (call it 2-3 months so they have time for all their silly commities to change it) that any bill brought to the floor in the house floor or the senate floor MUST be brought to a full vote no matter how much the majority party doesn't like or want it to be voted on. that would be better government and politicians would have to record their vote on issues instead of avoiding them.

I don't know, man of these votes the outcomes are well known such as the numerous Obamacare bills. It's really a waste of time, except it exposes each voter. Right now all of this is political posturing for the next elections, nothing more.

[Oberon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24530026

[Wolferz]

The joke's on us. The government has been shut down ever since Obama was sworn in and the GOP started the active filibuster against him.

[mapuc]

According to the news here. they blame the continuing crisis and the failure in further discussion on a rightwings group named Tea Party Republican

Is this true or is it more behind the story, that meets the eye?

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